spooncivic1

HAHAHAHAHAHA

did you see how bad he fucked up your tune on ROb ****** Deal's ITARRRR? I rode in the day he got back home from your shop and it was the fastest car i've ever rode in/drove

i personally wouldn't trust Mark for anything but if i wanted a RICH tune, and for him to beat on your car while cussing.

i have never seen anything bad come from Jason. Howard at RLZ is becoming a competent tuner also.

b16_704

i think you better tell me the list b/c i'm gonna be going there next month to get my car tuned...

Tom-Guy

It was a slow pile of ---- that bordered on okay, with many many sorting issues. I spent seven or so hours on the car, and it still had issues.

My wideband and EconoROM3 were fried partway through the street tuning adventure, so the car was left pig rich at idle and low rpm... due to Rob ****** Deal's assembly, the exhaust was a stupid slip fitting, and it sure did slip off all the time. I told him to park it until I either got my ---- fixed or he *towed* it to Mark, but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO he had to go out and beat on it and race it.

Quick little reality check here, big stud. You remember the 96 DX that the ITR swap was originally bolted into? You remember the four months it took him to destroy that car? Do you remember for a fraction of a second who the ---- we are talking about when it comes time to place the blame on how that car ran? With the possible exception of Howie - he gave Rob and engine with valvecover torqued down and dabs of RTV at the cam cap corners when the valves were *completely unadjusted* resulting in bits of valvetrain in the oilpan upon initial startup, and it is possible that with meticulous work like that the head was improperly torqued down resulting in the head gasket issue later - the fault for how that car ran rests solely on Rob's shoulders.

For the record, Mark gained 7 whp (215 from my 20 peak tweaking on my tune. That's not too shabby for a ****** NA engine. The only criticism I have of him is he couldn't figure out how to raise the revlimit in UD (FTS conflict) and was too proud to call me and ask. 215 whp, 158 tq, off of 8500 rpms/60mm STOCK throttlebody/broken collector AN-R header with big ------- gap in it.

You weren't there for all those "It won't start, Joseph, help" phone calls.

Me: Fuel, Fire, Compression - what doesn't it have?
Jason: It's got fuel and fire
Me: What's the compression, then? Check that.
Jason: It's a brand new engine, never been started. The rings haven't seated yet, so it won't have any compression.
Me: You are a fucktard

I've had 9 years worth of post-secondary education focussing on all the things I do relevant to cars: autotech, welding, machining, engineering (ME and EE), programming, ad nauseam. JDogg's had... most of (if not all by now) a business degree. Such passion. Such keen and piercing intellect.

Oh, I agree, Jason can get the job done NOW, but he sure learned at other people's expense. Ask the Raleigh residents who I have to perform booty calls on. I don't care for Jason; I don't care for someone who asks me for help on automechanics 101 (FUEL FIRE COMPRESSION COMPRENDE??) turning around and four months later telling me I don't know anything because all I deal in is theory and I don't actually tune cars. I don't have to see that fat gutted bitchboy to tell you he doesn't have grease ground into his callouses, under his nails, multiple cuts on his hands, and a good old back of the neck sunburn like yours truly does now.


I have no experience with Howard as a tuner.

You know Dick? The guy with the HF that rolled R1's when it still had the LS head on it? Dick had an opinion, ask him for it.

B16CRXT

I'll be at that meet Jo. just lmk when it's going down.

GSRswapandslow

......................i didn't destroy the ITR in 4 months...i had it over 6, :P and the final fault comes down to me either way, after not rechecking the oil drain bolt my cousin "installed" for me........resulting in the loss of all oil on interstate 77 on the way back from RLZ. oh, and it was a 98 hatch

and the 2.1.........i still feel as though i was raped on the tune from mark. the whole time there, all he did was idle adjust. he didn't even LOOK at the cam gears, and never really attempted at the raised revlimit...he just said it couldn't be done and that ud was bullshit due to too many versions and that he didnt like it. i came in rich due to the previous tuning session where i was lacking on the exhaust side.....and that was ENTIRELY my fault. I would have waited on you, joey, but i had a deadline to having the car run right.......which i didn't make, which in turn made the magizene right up dissapear as well.

Tom-Guy

I was thinking about the sweet deal you got on the car, and within 4 months it was a dirty filth pig with dents and scrapes everywhere.

There is a reason I build rusty piles of ----, I like to beat on my ---- too. Been trying to hammer that into your head for a minute now. I'm *no different* in how I drive and maintain my cars - you see what and how I drive - but after ruining two nice-ish cars I learned my lessons about 1) not starting out with a body that's too nice and 2) maintain a daily driver to keep the miles off the toy and 3) only take the toy out for specific purposes (hurting polish&shine crowd's feelings, or the F-body guys with slow LS1 + not enough nitrous, or making (heh, losing...) money at the races.

Ah, I never heard about that.

Sad thing is, the UD forum had stickies about using 1.70B and nothing else... all the "other versions" were stuck in a archive folder of old versions far away from the links to 1.66 and 1.70B (the two popular versions - 1.66 had no proper datalogging except for the somewhat glitchy 1.666wootwoot, whereas 1.70B had datalogging but was 16 bit fuel maps which required a *total* retune of the fuel maps). I dunno, you saw how Trav-***' car ran and idled on 1100cc injectors + UD in it's first incarnation. If I'd blocked off the FIT-V and IACV it would have been a bit better without that intermittant 1000-1100 rpm fluctuation.

It's a shame Mark never called me - I understand he knows a LOT, and that he's covered up keeping track of GN, F-body, and Ford stuffs so asking for someone to set you on the inside track when you'll suck it up and LEARN real ------- quick is not a problem - but as soon as you are unwilling to learn... UD can control AFRs and ignition and revlimit as precisely as anything, which is the backbone of everything. Aside from maybe individual cylinder fuel and/or ignition trim, you really don't need anything else.

It was a bad situation all around. RLZ gave you mad hookups because they wanted in a magazine, but got you into a very advanced build and did nothing to help you sort the car, but still felt you let them down - or should that be looked at the other way around, they let you down? I like Brad Z a whole ------- LOT, but he works himself 80 hours a week into the ground, and isn't super available because of it. I'm an ADHD spacecase who mis-prioritizes every ounce of his time, and it was really really really hard for me to work around you because you are the exact same way, and all we did was get off on tangents... I feel like I wasn't as able to help you as I should have. You went broke trying to help RLZ by giving them a build to stick in a magazine, relying on them and friends (me) who said they would help you, and got yourself into a situation where you were financially screwed.

I still feel a little proud about the freezing 30 degree outdoor afterdark DX<-->VX wiring fangle though. Wish I'd had time to clean that harness up a bit more and make it purdy, regardless of what else happened.

spooncivic1

the motor has had a fresh rebuilt with new pistons and some other stuff

so it will be back and stronger than ever.

BTW Joseph, what is your rate for tuning. PM me if you want you are about the only person who I trust to tune decent.

GSRswapandslow

joseph, i love you man. serioulsy, you helped me out 100x's more than ANYONE. the whole situation wiht the 2.1l was screwed....but you're the ONLY PERSON THAT DID AS MUCH AS YOU COULD. From the valvetrain falling apart, to me getting lied to about the compression i was actually running, to it taking farrrrrr longer to get the engine together and built than was said, to me chaning chassis 3 different times, to me not having the car in a state where you could come down and get it tuned and be done....to all kinds of bullshit...but, ya know what...i learned. i owe $1800 on my loan...and after that, all is good.

this current hatch is gonna be a little more long term though...i've got some money coming and it'll be running soon enough...paint's coming along nicely..and the car's MUCH more situated than any chassis i've done before, other than the 98 of course, so it'll go smoother. you need to head down soon though, to get he hnb2000 ---- off my computer...and to maybe have a look-see at my CX ecu, i gotta get it to ls/v-hick capabilities....and crack rocks on dead hooker bellies

spooncivic1

ha, i saw the color of your car...monday

GSRswapandslow

big durh...i've said what it is like 500000 times...just you and chase never picked up on it, ***

you like?


you think i should have done super sonic purple instead? ?