Who believes in random events?
#12
Re: Who believes in random events?
Originally Posted by doug684
You been talking to Ryan again?
I don't think ryan can grasp this concept. He started his psychotic episode when Jay and I were having a nice mushroom enhanced philosophical discussion about time.
#13
Re: Who believes in random events?
Originally Posted by Stealthmode
When I think of Random, I think of Christopher Cross.
Youtube for referance: (let it play through or you're a ----- ***)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=vqfz1l9s6k0
Youtube for referance: (let it play through or you're a ----- ***)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=vqfz1l9s6k0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5J5titd0Kbw
EDIT: ---- YOU ALREADY LINKED KRIS KROSS
#14
Re: Who believes in random events?
Originally Posted by Jorsher
My belief:
Every thought is based on chemical reactions in your brain. If it were possible to get the state of every atom simultaneously, and we knew exactly how the brain (and everything else) worked, it would be possible to predict everyone's reaction to certain stimuli or events.
Every thought is based on chemical reactions in your brain. If it were possible to get the state of every atom simultaneously, and we knew exactly how the brain (and everything else) worked, it would be possible to predict everyone's reaction to certain stimuli or events.
It takes a very open mind to see the whole idea but once you do there's no going back. It's just the way ---- works. There's no if's and's or but's about it. It's just mechanics.
The belief is called "Determinism" and I am a determinist.
I was pondering how a computer generated a random number and came to the conclusion that it doesn't. It can't. Then I started thinking about my own brain and came to the same conclusion
#15
Re: Who believes in random events?
Originally Posted by SloS13
Wow. Same here. It's hard to get people to understand because they'll say "Ok, I'm gonna decide to raise my hand", they do so and say - "see I have free will".
It takes a very open mind to see the whole idea but once you do there's no going back. It's just the way ---- works. There's no if's and's or but's about it. It's just mechanics.
The belief is called "Determinism" and I am a determinist.
I was pondering how a computer generated a random number and came to the conclusion that it doesn't. It can't. Then I started thinking about my own brain and came to the same conclusion
It takes a very open mind to see the whole idea but once you do there's no going back. It's just the way ---- works. There's no if's and's or but's about it. It's just mechanics.
The belief is called "Determinism" and I am a determinist.
I was pondering how a computer generated a random number and came to the conclusion that it doesn't. It can't. Then I started thinking about my own brain and came to the same conclusion
Computer random numbers, actually someone brought that up yesterday. I kindly explained to them how computers can in no way generate one, and a majority of them just use the time as a seed and an algorithm to generate the "random" number. There are better algorithms that make less predictable numbers, but being that a computer is a logic machine it can all be predicted. WE possibly can't predict it without having every bit of the info that the computer's random number comes from, but it doesn't make it "random."
Anything that is random, is only random because we don't have the ability to gather what's necessary to predict it. But, it's still predictable.
#16
Re: Who believes in random events?
Free will or the illusion of free will is related to the random firing of neurons within the brain. New Scientist did an article about it a while ago.
Chaos theory is actually quite similar to what you are discussing about the complexity of a system preventing us from fully understanding it. To accurately model weather systems would require knowing the state of every atom on the planet and its interactions with every other atom. The complexity of which prevents us from ever knowing whether it is about to rain. Doesn't mean it couldn't be done, just means understanding that level of complexity is very unlikely.
And the same goes for our brain, chaos theory dictates we will never fully understand the way in which spontaneous firing of neurons affects the other neurons surrounding it. Partly because of the complexity of interconnections (about 1000 synaptic connections for every single brain cell).
Oh yeah, drugs are bad.
Chaos theory is actually quite similar to what you are discussing about the complexity of a system preventing us from fully understanding it. To accurately model weather systems would require knowing the state of every atom on the planet and its interactions with every other atom. The complexity of which prevents us from ever knowing whether it is about to rain. Doesn't mean it couldn't be done, just means understanding that level of complexity is very unlikely.
And the same goes for our brain, chaos theory dictates we will never fully understand the way in which spontaneous firing of neurons affects the other neurons surrounding it. Partly because of the complexity of interconnections (about 1000 synaptic connections for every single brain cell).
Oh yeah, drugs are bad.
#17
Re: Who believes in random events?
#18
Re: Who believes in random events?
Originally Posted by DrSeuss
Free will or the illusion of free will is related to the random firing of neurons within the brain. New Scientist did an article about it a while ago.
Chaos theory is actually quite similar to what you are discussing about the complexity of a system preventing us from fully understanding it. To accurately model weather systems would require knowing the state of every atom on the planet and its interactions with every other atom. The complexity of which prevents us from ever knowing whether it is about to rain. Doesn't mean it couldn't be done, just means understanding that level of complexity is very unlikely.
And the same goes for our brain, chaos theory dictates we will never fully understand the way in which spontaneous firing of neurons affects the other neurons surrounding it. Partly because of the complexity of interconnections (about 1000 synaptic connections for every single brain cell).
Oh yeah, drugs are bad.
Chaos theory is actually quite similar to what you are discussing about the complexity of a system preventing us from fully understanding it. To accurately model weather systems would require knowing the state of every atom on the planet and its interactions with every other atom. The complexity of which prevents us from ever knowing whether it is about to rain. Doesn't mean it couldn't be done, just means understanding that level of complexity is very unlikely.
And the same goes for our brain, chaos theory dictates we will never fully understand the way in which spontaneous firing of neurons affects the other neurons surrounding it. Partly because of the complexity of interconnections (about 1000 synaptic connections for every single brain cell).
Oh yeah, drugs are bad.
#20
Re: Who believes in random events?
Originally Posted by 78NOVA
i sniffed coke at work last night, i did get the sensation of cherries though...........although nothing happened to me? weird or no?