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wheres the love for the new si???
well, i bought an 03' si about two months ago...i have it lowered with an intake. and i was wondering why everyone always bashes on them. saying that they are pathetic and weak and what not. i mean i understand its a slow car (arent most hondas stock) anyway, they always bash on the new si's saying how much slower they are then the 99-00 civics....i raced one and beat it by a good 3 cars. but, i was just wondering if anyone has had any good experience with them.
Dane |
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Dane!? you sold out.... no way
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I m not too fond of them couse they look like the focus.
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Well, they look like the focus, and the fact that honda tried to change everything up is why I don't like them.
HONDA EXEC. #1 "Why the hell didn't we see that the d,b, and h series motors were gonna be hot like trading cards? We're not profiting from this trend, the enthusiasts have thier own network." HONDA EXEC #2 "Sir, we never saw it coming. What can we do to halt evolution, and put destiny in our pockets? HONDA EXEC #1 "Hmmmm. I got it. We'll change our whole lineup, with different engine configurations, still keep the rsx and civic interchangable. And in 10 years, all the kids will still stay true to Honda, except there won't be anymore b,d, or h series motors around. There will only K series, which will be our new series that we control from today. Get our gooks to work." That's the way I see it, and I don't like it. 8) |
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Originally Posted by CRXzc903
i mean i understand its a slow car (arent most hondas stock) anyway, they always bash on the new si's saying how much slower they are then the 99-00 civics....i raced one and beat it by a good 3 cars.
Dane I was just reading about the new Civic SI's the other day... and here's why they are bashing on the new SI's. Compared to the 99-00 SI's, the new SI's are slower 0-60 by almost a full second. "For VTEC aficionados, the '02 Civic Si, which is the only American-model Civic to use the three-door body, will take some getting used to. Acura Integra GS-Rs and Type-Rs, Honda Preludes, and the most recent Si have conditioned us to expect certain things, such as a furious rush of power and mechanized adrenaline as the VTEC system switches to the big cam lobes for high-rpm operation. The new 2.0-liter doesn't do that. Apparently, Honda has sided with critics bothered by the high, narrow power band of the old engines. The redline in this one is down to 6800 from 8000 in the old engine, but torque is increased by 20 percent to 132 pound-feet, peaking at 5000 rpm. As is the rest of the car, the engine is tuned for easy real-world use with a linear power delivery throughout the rev range. This is generally an admirable approach but the unintended consequence is that the new Si is slower to 60 mph by almost a full second than the quickest '99-to-'00 model we tested. Yes, it carries 156 more pounds than did the old model, but it's nonetheless disappointing." -Car and Driver http://www.caranddriver.com/article....&page_number=3 |
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whoa there jeff....im not a sell out! im in the market for a crx hf this summer :) me and my bro are starting our own project.....i just wasnt diggin the whole salvage thing! dont worry, i still am obsessed with the crx and will own another one shortly!
Dane ps. i love my new si *sniff* |
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they are ugly and slow. got one on video losing to a crx with a6 with boltons, crx 15.9 to the 03 civic si at 16.4, damn pathetic
i dunno they are just the worst mistake honda made recently |
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i know a guy that ran a 14.9 with just i\h\e at LACR....also a guy that ran a 15.7 stock. what does that tell you?
Dane |
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car and driver drive like grandmas, there too use to american buicks. ;)
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Originally Posted by hotrex
they are ugly and slow. got one on video losing to a crx with a6 with boltons, crx 15.9 to the 03 civic si at 16.4, damn pathetic
i dunno they are just the worst mistake honda made recently |
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this vid i got is from august, at lebanon valley im NY...got my friend tonys civic gsr turbo runnin 11.90s too wish i knew how to post the vid. its sick
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if I were going to buy a mini-van i'd get an oddysey
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GM and Dodge are doin it the right way.
GM is pushing the new ecotec i4 motors to be the "new age" chevy small block. they will be a million of them and they will come in lots of different cars/trucks and have lots of different configs :) dodge the same with the 2.4l turbo motor in the srt4/turbo pt cruiser and all the NA 2.4l engines keepin ---- basically the same lowers cost and helps out enthusiasts |
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Originally Posted by 91AccordLX
Originally Posted by CRXzc903
i mean i understand its a slow car (arent most hondas stock) anyway, they always bash on the new si's saying how much slower they are then the 99-00 civics....i raced one and beat it by a good 3 cars.
Dane I was just reading about the new Civic SI's the other day... and here's why they are bashing on the new SI's. Compared to the 99-00 SI's, the new SI's are slower 0-60 by almost a full second. "For VTEC aficionados, the '02 Civic Si, which is the only American-model Civic to use the three-door body, will take some getting used to. Acura Integra GS-Rs and Type-Rs, Honda Preludes, and the most recent Si have conditioned us to expect certain things, such as a furious rush of power and mechanized adrenaline as the VTEC system switches to the big cam lobes for high-rpm operation. The new 2.0-liter doesn't do that. Apparently, Honda has sided with critics bothered by the high, narrow power band of the old engines. The redline in this one is down to 6800 from 8000 in the old engine, but torque is increased by 20 percent to 132 pound-feet, peaking at 5000 rpm. As is the rest of the car, the engine is tuned for easy real-world use with a linear power delivery throughout the rev range. This is generally an admirable approach but the unintended consequence is that the new Si is slower to 60 mph by almost a full second than the quickest '99-to-'00 model we tested. Yes, it carries 156 more pounds than did the old model, but it's nonetheless disappointing." -Car and Driver http://www.caranddriver.com/article....&page_number=3 Can it get any better than this? We couldn't resist it. All that technology, all those years of racing experience. We simply had to put it into a road car. The result? Soaring revs, kick-in-the-back acceleration and an engine note to set your scalp prickling. In other words, the Civic Type-R. With the Type-R you don't just get good looks, you get aerodynamic perfection to match. From 17" alloys, full body kit, door-mounted indicators and upgraded projector-style headlamps, it's all fast and very slippery. Hear some wind noise from somewhere? Didn't think so, we added extra insulation to help keep it out. Of course, our Formula 1 experience came in rather handy. A lightweight flywheel and 197 bhp means the 2.0-litre i-VTEC engine gets to 60mph in just 6.6 seconds. That's enough to leave all our competitors - including the turbocharged ones - standing. It also helped us win 2003 Best Hot Hatch awards from What Car? magazine and BBC Top Gear. And what did we put with such a great engine? Underneath: a six-speed gearbox, race-tuned chassis, exhaust and braking systems - the kind of things that make you want to go driving for no reason. And inside: alcantara seats, a red-stitched Momo steering wheel and a limited-edition serial number. But why all this attention to the inside? Isn't the Type-R all about what's under the bonnet? True, but driving position, steering, gearshift, instruments - they've all got to be as outstanding as the technology they're connected to. Fortunately for the Type-R, they are. |
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the new Si's Vtec is different then the old style 0-5500rpm low lobe 5500-8200 high lobe idea. If memory serves me correct here i remember the Civic k20a3 has intake only high lobes that come on at like 2300rpm. the RSX-s has a k20a2 with the traditional in/ex vtec lobes at 4500rpm
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oh right i have a partner here. oh right dane i have a 02 si
just type r spoiler and 17 rims. they are fast if you hook it up i planning to put a ls vtec k24 with rsx type s head and rsx 6 speed tranny watch out old school honda. also check out ephatch.com good website for ep3 new si. |
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I think its pretty much a foregone conclusion the Civic Si is a dead duck (again) soon. There are 3 of them that have been (I ---- you not) sitting on the dealers lot for a YEAR now and the dealer told me if/when he ever sells these 'sons of bitches' he will never order another one. The RSX is selling pretty shitty too... wouldnt suprise me if they yanked that car.
I think Hondas made it pretty clear to everyone they're more interested in hugging trees and selling homosexual cars like the Element. The fact they have no plans for a turbocharged sport-compact doesnt even put them in the same league as Mitsubishi, Dodge etc. The bottom line is most people do NOT modify cars. They buy a car, drive it stock or maybe add a couple 10 minute bolt-on's and call it good. So if you're in the market for a sport-compact class car, the Honda/Acura offerings just leave too much to desire IMO. That includes price point.. they're priced pretty high for such a boring car. I want a K series in my 95 DX someday, but the motors might be very hard to find and at the very least cost prohibitive when the time comes :( |
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I like the rear of the new Si's (canadian SiR's) a lot, but I hate the headlights, makes the car look like a mini van.
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2 words. Mini Van ;D
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nah! Mini-Minivan.
and the other thing.. new = $$$$ |
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i dont know about that one hitting 15.7 stock...ive seen modded ones barely breaking into the 15's, and my friend's with a header, intake,tb, and gay muffler ran like a 16.4
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Ok, now I have to ask a really stupid question. I thought the i-vtech system was set up with a variable valve timing setup. (like moving the cam TIMING forward and backward while the car is running) Where you are adjusting the valve timing, not the lift. I'm I completely on crack. How is it REALLY set up. Are there still 2 lobes with a swith over point, just like the old stuff? Is there a good website for info on the new setup?
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your correct like the porsche 911 and several f1 engines honda has moved valve timing to the cam gear itself allowing for true variable timing. I love the k engine its got pretty strong sleeves from what Ive read, and arguably has the most potential of any honda 4. Thats not saying 160hp in a 3000lbs car is cool.. but you got to 200-250 you got your self a nice quick moving car. And as for sales of the rsx they are kicking ass in most markets.
-CF |
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Originally Posted by CRXzc903
i know a guy that ran a 14.9 with just i\h\e at LACR....also a guy that ran a 15.7 stock. what does that tell you?
Dane "Remember kids, a 15 second quarter mile... is NOT fast." |
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Remember kids, 15 seconds IS fast when you are at 5400 feet of elevation (Denver)...15's here means 13's at sea level!! But the new Si only runs a high 16 up here...
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By the way....thanks for the link for the i-vtech system, that told me everything I wanted to know ;D
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there is few ctr driving around to my University.
ITs a nice car BELIEVE ME GUYS |
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from that link and what little i've read elsewhere, it sounds like the civic Si's i-VTEC is similar in operation to VTEC-E in previous generations... maybe it should have been tagged a Civic CX?
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i just think they are ugly as ----! i bought a 00 si as opposed to an 02 just because of the body style (and i'd rather have a b series than a k ;D )
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ok.. well since we're on the topic of k series engines. anyone notice the s2k head looks alot like a rsx-s head? hrmm.... do they share certain features. this leads me to believe that the rsx-s trans might bolt up to a s2k motor.. wait, FWD S2000 engine in a civic si !!! ? no way.!?. i wanna find out.
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na, i doubt it, they look kind of similar, but the s2k engine is like an f20c or something, not even a k, so i doubt it, but in a post a while ago, there was a guy who made a gearbox for the s2k engine to be fwd, then you just have to fab it into your bay. imo, just buy an s2k ;D
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some guy already makes bell housings so you can put the rsx trans on the f20c(s2000).
-CF |
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Its all relative man. true for a tuner/ boostaholic like most of us are this car is not as ready for boost as a stock silvia motor. but as for making a mistake, Mr. Honda is still getting rich. He wasnt thinking about us, bastard. The new civic is differnt no doubt! To tell you all the truth, i really didn't like the 96+ civics when they came out either, I thought they were ugly. But as time passes by, And technology changes, the civic si will be a key player in the honda/acura enthuiest world! I don't know why honda is attempting to make there cars harder to mod though! That is like there catch/vice, why change that? |
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Why change that you ask... im no expert but living in the world ive learned a lot about business... i think honda is making their cars harder to mod for the same reason they declined to donate cars to be viewed in the fast and furious 2 movie. they dont want parents who pay for the cars to think they are race cars cuz their kids wont get ----. They know real enthusiasts will figure the modding part out and theres not much to modding a 200hp engine.. you turbo that ---- and ur making 300hp in a light car so...
So basically it boils down to business and honda covering their ass for safety and security reasons |
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Originally Posted by 88 Turbo Crx
Why change that you ask... im no expert but living in the world ive learned a lot about business... i think honda is making their cars harder to mod for the same reason they declined to donate cars to be viewed in the fast and furious 2 movie. they dont want parents who pay for the cars to think they are race cars cuz their kids wont get ----. They know real enthusiasts will figure the modding part out and theres not much to modding a 200hp engine.. you turbo that ---- and ur making 300hp in a light car so...
So basically it boils down to business and honda covering their ass for safety and security reasons |
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I don't know what the ---- they were thinking when they decided to put a rally style shifter comming out of the dash. that is by far the gayest thing honda ever did. the style is growing on me though.
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Originally Posted by Whitey
I don't know what the ---- they were thinking when they decided to put a rally style shifter comming out of the dash. that is by far the gayest thing honda ever did.
the style is growing on me though. |
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