Whats wrong with f-series?
10-27-2006, 10:49 PM
#41
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Re: Whats wrong with f-series?
I think if I were to do up a straight up non vtec F series, it'd have to be the f22a6. Everything about it is better than the rest.
I like the information in this thread. There isnt alot of info for noobs to find about F series anymore.
Anyone wish to discuss transmissions, lets say... differences between the f22a's, f22b's, f23's, h22's, h23's?
I like the information in this thread. There isnt alot of info for noobs to find about F series anymore.
Anyone wish to discuss transmissions, lets say... differences between the f22a's, f22b's, f23's, h22's, h23's?
10-27-2006, 11:01 PM
#42
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Re: Whats wrong with f-series?
h22 has the best gear ratios, but you guys keep referring to bishis setup, I read the article too and it is no average build up, if I remember correctly it had a 17 to 1 compression ratio, now you average guy is'nt going to be able to build something like that. One thing I did find interesting was his transmission choice was it a b16 tranny or a d16zc out of an old integra(I can't remember and have no clue where I put the issue)
10-27-2006, 11:21 PM
#43
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Re: Whats wrong with f-series?
he uses the D series transmission. he made his own f/h-d and d adapter plate.
anyways, who says the h22 tranny is BEST? it all depends on the setup you are going for. h22 is great for NA and top end hp.
I like the h23 tranny because it is in the middle, not too long, and not too short.
here are the specs of the manual trannies.
USDM F22AX 90-93 ACCORD DX/LX COUPE/SEDAN:
3.307 1
1.809 2
1.230 3
0.903 4
0.705 5
4.062 final
5th gear 195/60 R15
70mph = 2782 rpm
80mph = 3180 rpm
USDM F22AX 90-93 ACCORD EX COUPE/SEDAN:
3.307 1
1.809 2
1.185 3
0.870 4
0.685 5
4.062 final
5th gear 195/60 R15
70mph = 2703 rpm
80mph = 3090 rpm
USDM H23A1 PRELUDE Si 92-96 COUPE:
3.307 1
1.857 2
1.320 3
1.034 4
0.812 5
4.266 final
5th gear 195/60 R15
70mph = 3366 rpm
80mph = 3847 rpm
USDM H22A1 PRELUDE VTEC 93-96 COUPE:
3.307 1
1.950 2
1.360 3
1.071 4
0.871 5
4.266 final
5th gear 195/60 R15
70mph = 3610 rpm
80mph = 4126 rpm
JDM H22A 92-96:
3.307 1
1.950 2
1.360 3
1.034 4
0.787 5
4.266 final
5th gear 195/60 R15
70mph = 3262 rpm
80mph = 3728 rpm
USDM F22B1 ACCORD VTEC 94-97 COUPE/SEDAN:
3.307 1
1.809 2
1.185 3
0.933 4
0.685 5
4.062 final
5th gear 195/60 R15
70mph = 2703 rpm
80mph = 3090 rpm
USDM F22B2 ACCORD non-VTEC 94-97 COUPE/SEDAN:
3.307 1
1.809 2
1.185 3
0.903 4
0.685 5
4.062 final
5th gear 195/60 R15
70mph = 2703 rpm
80mph = 3090 rpm
USDM F22B1/F22B2 ACCORD 94-97 WAGON:
3.307 1
1.809 2
1.185 3
0.903 4
0.685 5
4.266 final
5th gear 195/60 R15
70mph = 2839 rpm
80mph = 3245 rpm
USDM F22A1 Prelude S 92-96 COUPE:
3.307 1
1.809 2
1.230 3
0.903 4
0.705 5
4.062 final
5th gear 195/60 R15
70mph = 2782 rpm
80mph = 3180 rpm
JDM F20B VTEC:
3.285 1
1.956 2
1.344 3
1.034 4
0.787 5
4.266 final
5th gear 195/60 R15
70mph = 3262 rpm
80mph = 3728 rpm
JDM F22B non-VTEC:
3.307 1
1.810 2
1.269 3
0.966 4
0.787 5
4.062 final
5th gear 195/60 R15
70mph = 3106 rpm
80mph = 3550 rpm
anyways, who says the h22 tranny is BEST? it all depends on the setup you are going for. h22 is great for NA and top end hp.
I like the h23 tranny because it is in the middle, not too long, and not too short.
here are the specs of the manual trannies.
USDM F22AX 90-93 ACCORD DX/LX COUPE/SEDAN:
3.307 1
1.809 2
1.230 3
0.903 4
0.705 5
4.062 final
5th gear 195/60 R15
70mph = 2782 rpm
80mph = 3180 rpm
USDM F22AX 90-93 ACCORD EX COUPE/SEDAN:
3.307 1
1.809 2
1.185 3
0.870 4
0.685 5
4.062 final
5th gear 195/60 R15
70mph = 2703 rpm
80mph = 3090 rpm
USDM H23A1 PRELUDE Si 92-96 COUPE:
3.307 1
1.857 2
1.320 3
1.034 4
0.812 5
4.266 final
5th gear 195/60 R15
70mph = 3366 rpm
80mph = 3847 rpm
USDM H22A1 PRELUDE VTEC 93-96 COUPE:
3.307 1
1.950 2
1.360 3
1.071 4
0.871 5
4.266 final
5th gear 195/60 R15
70mph = 3610 rpm
80mph = 4126 rpm
JDM H22A 92-96:
3.307 1
1.950 2
1.360 3
1.034 4
0.787 5
4.266 final
5th gear 195/60 R15
70mph = 3262 rpm
80mph = 3728 rpm
USDM F22B1 ACCORD VTEC 94-97 COUPE/SEDAN:
3.307 1
1.809 2
1.185 3
0.933 4
0.685 5
4.062 final
5th gear 195/60 R15
70mph = 2703 rpm
80mph = 3090 rpm
USDM F22B2 ACCORD non-VTEC 94-97 COUPE/SEDAN:
3.307 1
1.809 2
1.185 3
0.903 4
0.685 5
4.062 final
5th gear 195/60 R15
70mph = 2703 rpm
80mph = 3090 rpm
USDM F22B1/F22B2 ACCORD 94-97 WAGON:
3.307 1
1.809 2
1.185 3
0.903 4
0.685 5
4.266 final
5th gear 195/60 R15
70mph = 2839 rpm
80mph = 3245 rpm
USDM F22A1 Prelude S 92-96 COUPE:
3.307 1
1.809 2
1.230 3
0.903 4
0.705 5
4.062 final
5th gear 195/60 R15
70mph = 2782 rpm
80mph = 3180 rpm
JDM F20B VTEC:
3.285 1
1.956 2
1.344 3
1.034 4
0.787 5
4.266 final
5th gear 195/60 R15
70mph = 3262 rpm
80mph = 3728 rpm
JDM F22B non-VTEC:
3.307 1
1.810 2
1.269 3
0.966 4
0.787 5
4.062 final
5th gear 195/60 R15
70mph = 3106 rpm
80mph = 3550 rpm
10-28-2006, 02:25 AM
#44
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Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 5,631
Re: Whats wrong with f-series?
I agree that the h 23 trans is a happy medium for the f.
I bumped up the limiter from 5500-7000 on my car ( it helpeda ---- ton maintaining boost between shifts)....I have the H23 tranny now in my accord... but am installing a m2f4 with LSD into the new build..... The H22 gears suck for the freeway for the lower reving f... But in the h22 they are cool... since ive built the bottom and top end of the h22 (supertech springs and titanium retainers/ferrea valves-P&P)... im not worried about cruising at 4000 at 80, but with the stock block f that wopuld jave sucked.....
A built (including top end) f22 would be a different story, but I opted for the h23 and 80 comes around 3500... It has as mentioned above the 4.2x final dfrive like the h22 trannys, but has longer gears by just a tad. A great compromise for a daily driven boosted (or even N/A) F series car.
My o2 cents
I bumped up the limiter from 5500-7000 on my car ( it helpeda ---- ton maintaining boost between shifts)....I have the H23 tranny now in my accord... but am installing a m2f4 with LSD into the new build..... The H22 gears suck for the freeway for the lower reving f... But in the h22 they are cool... since ive built the bottom and top end of the h22 (supertech springs and titanium retainers/ferrea valves-P&P)... im not worried about cruising at 4000 at 80, but with the stock block f that wopuld jave sucked.....
A built (including top end) f22 would be a different story, but I opted for the h23 and 80 comes around 3500... It has as mentioned above the 4.2x final dfrive like the h22 trannys, but has longer gears by just a tad. A great compromise for a daily driven boosted (or even N/A) F series car.
My o2 cents
10-28-2006, 01:12 PM
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Re: Whats wrong with f-series?
Originally Posted by SinisterCRX
rofl.
Dont know the ratios in my LeSabre but at 80 mph im cruising ~2800 rpms.
Dont know the ratios in my LeSabre but at 80 mph im cruising ~2800 rpms.
the CEL light isn't a CEL but i pulled the ABS plug
10-28-2006, 02:23 PM
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Re: Whats wrong with f-series?
Originally Posted by b16sellout
Bisi did it to destroke the motor allowing lower pistons speeds and higher rpms.
Bisi also ran an F-series SOHC head to get away from the heavy reciprocating mass of the V-Tech assembly, which is useless unless you're a 45 y/old woman who just cares about a stock idle.
Oil squirters are useless, too, I've dealt with a couple 10K LS/VTECs without squirters that clock 8-10K miles and then have valve problems. Maybe if they had oil squirting on the bottom of the piston the valves would have been cooler, and the engine lasted longer, right? Don't say high rpm F's need oil squirters just like LS/VTECs do for reliablility, when nothing of the sort is true. The V8 crowd has been building dick nasty high RPM V8s for years without oil squirters and larger pistons have a harder time shedding heat than a small 4 cyl engine's piston.
Get an H22 crank, do what you have to in order to get the piston/rod situation correct with your deck height, and drop in a mild NA cam when you get money. Prepare to make 1.9 million hp.
10-28-2006, 04:19 PM
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Re: Whats wrong with f-series?
Originally Posted by Joseph Davis
Bisi did it to get away from a POS weak unbalanced crank. TRUST me, you want DISPLACEMENT to make power in a small NA 4 cyl. F-series munch rod bearings in the 150K mile range due to balance issues... that, and their weak oilling system, is what sucks about them.
Bisi also ran an F-series SOHC head to get away from the heavy reciprocating mass of the V-Tech assembly, which is useless unless you're a 45 y/old woman who just cares about a stock idle.
Oil squirters are useless, too, I've dealt with a couple 10K LS/VTECs without squirters that clock 8-10K miles and then have valve problems. Maybe if they had oil squirting on the bottom of the piston the valves would have been cooler, and the engine lasted longer, right? Don't say high rpm F's need oil squirters just like LS/VTECs do for reliablility, when nothing of the sort is true. The V8 crowd has been building dick nasty high RPM V8s for years without oil squirters and larger pistons have a harder time shedding heat than a small 4 cyl engine's piston.
Get an H22 crank, do what you have to in order to get the piston/rod situation correct with your deck height, and drop in a mild NA cam when you get money. Prepare to make 1.9 million hp.
Bisi also ran an F-series SOHC head to get away from the heavy reciprocating mass of the V-Tech assembly, which is useless unless you're a 45 y/old woman who just cares about a stock idle.
Oil squirters are useless, too, I've dealt with a couple 10K LS/VTECs without squirters that clock 8-10K miles and then have valve problems. Maybe if they had oil squirting on the bottom of the piston the valves would have been cooler, and the engine lasted longer, right? Don't say high rpm F's need oil squirters just like LS/VTECs do for reliablility, when nothing of the sort is true. The V8 crowd has been building dick nasty high RPM V8s for years without oil squirters and larger pistons have a harder time shedding heat than a small 4 cyl engine's piston.
Get an H22 crank, do what you have to in order to get the piston/rod situation correct with your deck height, and drop in a mild NA cam when you get money. Prepare to make 1.9 million hp.
