water --> hydrogen fuel, didnt realize we're this close... vid
05-15-2006, 02:05 PM
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Re: water --> hydrogen fuel, didnt realize we're this close... vid
Originally Posted by Joseph Davis
Electricity is the power source. It takes more juice to disassociate water than recombining H and O into water produces. So, basically, it is less efficient than a ------- battery and an electric motor, with a big ------- coal/nuke power plant pushing ---- into the environment to keep things going.
As jago said, scam.
As jago said, scam.
05-15-2006, 05:01 PM
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Re: water --> hydrogen fuel, didnt realize we're this close... vid
Originally Posted by rawr
the car had a net 10 mpg gain with the machine on. it was running somewhere at like 15% HHO. The electrolysis machine produces the gas as needed. On a factory alt the battery maintaned 12 volts. The car did not go 100 miles on water alone. but it only took 4 ounces of water and around 2.5 gallons of gas. where with the machine off it used about 4 gallons of gas. Mildy useless. The torch is cool though.
05-15-2006, 05:04 PM
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Re: water --> hydrogen fuel, didnt realize we're this close... vid
Originally Posted by Anubis_4_99
i got nearly that mileage in my H22 EG (47.3 MPG), its not mildly useless it is useless
05-15-2006, 05:22 PM
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Re: water --> hydrogen fuel, didnt realize we're this close... vid
It is less efficient, but I'd rather have a ---- ton of nuclear power plants making electricity, and dissociating water to get hydrogen than paying money into the pockets of countries that hate us for oil
05-15-2006, 06:12 PM
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Re: water --> hydrogen fuel, didnt realize we're this close... vid
There was another article about the system used to convert the water in his car. a -4hp alternator is what it took to convert the water and fuel it produces is more efficient and made a net gain of 17hp on the motor plus the added milage benefit. It's not a dumb idea, think of how hydro/windmill/solar technology is increasing...Coal burning plants are not the only solution.
05-15-2006, 06:34 PM
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Re: water --> hydrogen fuel, didnt realize we're this close... vid
Originally Posted by Wayne_curr
There was another article about the system used to convert the water in his car. a -4hp alternator is what it took to convert the water and fuel it produces is more efficient and made a net gain of 17hp on the motor plus the added milage benefit. It's not a dumb idea, think of how hydro/windmill/solar technology is increasing...Coal burning plants are not the only solution.
from what you said it seems like he is using energy from the engine spining an alternator to make electricity to convert the waer to hydrogen to add to the engine as fuel. which would be pretty inefficient, because any time you convert enrgy to a different state there are enrgy losses such as heat or friction. So all the converting is probablly inefficient.
05-15-2006, 10:23 PM
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Re: water --> hydrogen fuel, didnt realize we're this close... vid
Originally Posted by fork
from what you said it seems like he is using energy from the engine spining an alternator to make electricity to convert the waer to hydrogen to add to the engine as fuel. which would be pretty inefficient, because any time you convert enrgy to a different state there are enrgy losses such as heat or friction. So all the converting is probablly inefficient.
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05-17-2006, 12:06 AM
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Re: water --> hydrogen fuel, didnt realize we're this close... vid
Heh, somebody pointed out something in Glassman's Combustion that I missed:
Fuel cell cars are touted as clean running aka they only produce water as a byproduct... however, the simple chemistry of the situation leaves a large potential for pollutants to form since it's not merely oxygen entering the engine, and NOx gasses form based on combustion temps and not based on fuel type - still just as susceptible to those as ever.
Fuel cell cars are touted as clean running aka they only produce water as a byproduct... however, the simple chemistry of the situation leaves a large potential for pollutants to form since it's not merely oxygen entering the engine, and NOx gasses form based on combustion temps and not based on fuel type - still just as susceptible to those as ever.
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