VTEC vs VVTL-i
 

it's a discussion that ive with a guy... i go with vtec of course but the VVTL-I is a good system too.. was wondering what do you think...

P.S. vote to me for president.. haha j/k ;D

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No joke vote for this man!

As far as the thread, http://www.billzilla.org/vvtvtec.htm .
Vtec for life yo.

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It's another component to fail. Just get hotter cams. ::)

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Generally the manliest cams for non turbo hondas eliminate vtec anyways. Its there for stockers with boltons and turbo noggers.

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::)

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but vtec failure doesnt really equal any damage. All it does is not turn on. Big deal.
VVTL is simpler but you cant really adjust it as easily as Vtec and its meant for less racy high reving sexuality.

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good page.. yeah.. vtec FTW.. :D

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You're right. It gives you 50+ whp. :1

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ITR/CTR VTEC cams with boosted engine.. more than 50 WHP yeah

:6

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i love honda but iv also driven a vibe gt and its pulls different, thats a good question i like both equaly

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haha ur very funny ;D

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i never drove a yota with it so i dont know. but hearing vtec for the first time, was like ------- for the first time feels really good and its something you never forget

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Here's your ------- VTAK mad JdM y0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn-Uz1tZoP8

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??? video

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Yes. And a joke.

How bad did psuedo-BBKA beat you?

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VVT-I (from corolla/camry and such) adjust cam timing/over lap contiuosly on intake side only which is kinda same as I-VTEC come with base RSX/element/oddosey and such.

dual VVT-I (recent toyota v6)continously adjust both exhaust and intake cam timing/ overlap

vtec (early sohc vtec/ v6 vtec)only adjust intake cam lift and duration at one point

dohc vtec (B series vtec/ F20c / nsx) adjust both exhuats and intake cam timing at one point.

vtec-e from early accords only adjust the opening of one valve in each cylinder at one point.

VVTL-I (celica gts) is pretty much the same as I-VTEC from RSX-S/ TSX, contiously control cam timing/overlap and increase lift at one point.

IMO I-vtec > vvtL-I > dual vvt-I > vvt-i > dohc vtec > vtec> vtec-e :S

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My mom's GS300 pulls nice in the high RPM's, but still has some giddy up in the bottom. Good exhaust note too. I think it's got the 2JZ-GE.

IMO nothing beats the VTEC cross over of a B series with an open header or an exhaust like I have.

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good lil explenation donald..... i just bought an '07 tc (now im curious to which vvt i have) it pulls nicely and you can def. hear it



(it sucks not being able to drive at all..... but i just got the car 2months ago and i really wanna drive now (stupid broken hand))

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turns out i have vvt-i


i got this off of scionlife.com it's about the '07 tc:


- VVT-I works by automatically adjusting the intake valve timing at different load and temperature conditions, as well as RPM ranges. This is to ensure the motor makes maximum power in any conditions. It provides a wider torque curve and improves throttle response

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vtech!! = thumbs up!! times 3

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boost > V-TACH

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not everyone wants all out power. track cars need balance, not 400whp

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fixed it for ya :P

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what makes you think that 400 hp isnt balanced. ive doubt that youve ever driven a 400 hp civic.
my point was that vtec becomes irrelevant with forced induction even if you think that 300 hp or 200hp is more balanced.

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i love it when all the V-TACH lovers get pissed when i say that.

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The VVT for the 20v 4age engine is weak. Alot of people say you can't even tell when it's on and just don't even hook it up or some just totally remove it. A apples to apples type comparison would be the 20v silvertop engine to a B16. Both DOHC and 1.6 liter engines. Even yota guys the B16 is better but nice thing is you don't have to sleeve them to run big boost since they come with iron blocks. Surprisingly it took two almost three guys to load my silvertop into the back of a pickup. That little 1.6 was heavier then we expected and that was just the longblock. No tranny or anything else attached.

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vvt is noob T-VIS is where its at :6

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400hp is not ballanced, 400hp on a civic road car will ballance you somewhere between slaming into a wall and having no power coming out of a turn.

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stock for stock, the SR20VET is the best hahaha VVL and boost out of the factory.

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theres this thing called thottle modulation. you dont go wot around a corner ,you control the power. yes i can see you driving into a wall with your experiance this "unbalanced hp".
btw lsd owns.

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theres also this thing called having a low compression low displacement motor with no powerband until 5 thousand ------- rpms where boost/power hits like a brick wall and rips tires loose and your front end pushes out. Compaired to a car with a more even powerband like an ecotec where it would have the torque to pull itself out of the lower rpm range and the ability to still get it on the straights. P.S. whats the point of having 400hp on a track car if you cant hammer the throttle without ripping the tires up. or you cant get on it coming out of a turn.

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let me know when youve actually driven something with that kind of power rather than reading me powerband #s.

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::) Let me know when you're done thinking a turbo 400hp honda handles like a race car and gains low end torque because you're not pushing the throttle down all of the way.

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even i know a 400hp civic would be a pain in the ass to drive, and i know ---- about cars. the closest thing i have driven are the newer V6 fwd sedans and those ------- suck bad, i cannot imagine how worse it would be in a lighter more powerful car.

i drive a 1.8t and i decided a long time ago, that i will not go past a stock vw(or audi)turbo with this car, just doesn't sound appealing. now the next car will have quattro, so i will probably reconsider my statement then.

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DELICIOUS! can i have another?

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that things beast, sounds like nitrous is being sprayed by the tone of the engine when he floors it :D

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as much as i like the sound of vtec, that just makes me cream en mis pantalones