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hatrack48 12-02-2004 10:26 AM

turbo & supercharger = power
 
a friend of my son is putting this together, its on a 91
crx-si, a6 block,aries pistons,eagle rods block has been sleeved & decked, d15 v-tec head stage2 p&p crower valve
train not sure what cam, crank has been microed,t3 turbo
mounted in back of car (no intercooler up front)all custom
piping and this weekend adding a jackson sc he just purchased to go with a custom ecu being done by Motec.
this kid has been through at least 6 engines in the last
year mixing and matching to get the best results he can.
last July he ran mid 12s with turbo up frount with IC.


bmaca455 12-02-2004 10:29 AM

Re:turbo & supercharger = power
 
Why move the turbo to the rear?

Def. sounds like an interesting project though. Some picts are nessesary.

hatrack48 12-02-2004 10:46 AM

Re:turbo & supercharger = power
 
by putting the turbo in the rear u can eliminate the IC
and pose as a sleeper i guess this has been done before

robs99si 12-02-2004 10:48 AM

Re:turbo & supercharger = power
 

Originally Posted by hatrack48
by putting the turbo in the rear u can eliminate the IC
and pose as a sleeper i guess this has been done before

i've seen cars with the turbo next to the rear tire. some super ------- long charge pipes and lotsa turbo lag go along with this kinda setup.

djfob 12-02-2004 10:49 AM

Re:turbo & supercharger = power
 
this is going to be a very interesting project 8)

hatrack48 12-02-2004 10:52 AM

Re:turbo & supercharger = power
 
ya, thats why he is adding a SC to pick up some of the lag

SkunT 12-02-2004 10:52 AM

Re:turbo & supercharger = power
 
did he post this on the endyne messege boards? theres a project similar to this on that board.

http://www.theoldone.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=17257

I think though that you have to register to see this :-\

hatrack48 12-02-2004 11:00 AM

Re:turbo & supercharger = power
 
im not sure if he did or not,as far as i know he
doesnt do the board scene, just a very smart kid

SideWinderx7 12-02-2004 05:25 PM

Re:turbo & supercharger = power
 

Originally Posted by hatrack48
he
doesnt do the board scene, just a very smart kid

he is smart...

HondaTuner 12-02-2004 05:27 PM

Re:turbo & supercharger = power
 
Sounds interesting.. lets see some pics :P

4Aaron GE 12-02-2004 08:05 PM

Re:turbo & supercharger = power
 
Can the JRSC unit disengage the pulley? I know on the Toyota SC12, you can turn it off via a clutch assy. Since the JRSC is integral to the intake manifold, you can't exactly bypass it either. (Or can you?) If you can't turn it off, and you can't go around it, what happens when the compressed air hits the SC?

Jeter2Karaffa 12-02-2004 08:07 PM

Re:turbo & supercharger = power
 
i agree... would definatly like to see this!

J-SMITH69 12-02-2004 08:11 PM

Re:turbo & supercharger = power
 

Originally Posted by 4Aaron GE
Can the JRSC unit disengage the pulley? I know on the Toyota SC12, you can turn it off via a clutch assy. Since the JRSC is integral to the intake manifold, you can't exactly bypass it either. (Or can you?) If you can't turn it off, and you can't go around it, what happens when the compressed air hits the SC?

ive seen twin charged sbc's and they roots dont really have a huge effect on the air flow from the turbines.

nothing happens when it hits the s/c it just goes throught it really really fast, faster than the s/c can pull it through with the blades inside.

old semi's used to be twin charged too... i saw it on trucks... a huge turbo sat with the compressor pointing straight into a huge roots blower

http://www.hilmersson-racing.com/bil...Faktabild1.jpg

http://www.hilmersson-racing.com/bil...Byggbild20.jpg

http://www.hilmersson-racing.com/bil...Faktabild2.jpg

http://www.hilmersson-racing.com/bil...Faktabild3.jpg

http://www.hilmersson-racing.com/bil...Faktabild4.jpg

http://www.hilmersson-racing.com/bil...Faktabild5.jpg

http://www.hilmersson-racing.com/bil...Faktabild6.jpg

http://www.hilmersson-racing.com/bil...Faktabild7.jpg

4Aaron GE 12-02-2004 08:21 PM

Re:turbo & supercharger = power
 
much too cool. So um. While we're on the subject, since one would probably be running more boost out of the turbo than the SC would normally produce, how would the seals on the SC be affected?

J-SMITH69 12-02-2004 08:24 PM

Re:turbo & supercharger = power
 

Originally Posted by 4Aaron GE
much too cool. So um. While we're on the subject, since one would probably be running more boost out of the turbo than the SC would normally produce, how would the seals on the SC be affected?

why would they be, there are s/c that produce lots of boost too

Jeter2Karaffa 12-02-2004 08:24 PM

Re:turbo & supercharger = power
 
WOW that is amazing!!! :o

SkunT 12-02-2004 09:19 PM

Re:turbo & supercharger = power
 
holy ----, that thing is bad ass!

J-SMITH69 12-02-2004 09:53 PM

Re:turbo & supercharger = power
 
it bypasses the blower with the charge from the turbine... but its still twin charged :p

89dxhunchback 12-03-2004 04:21 AM

Re:turbo & supercharger = power
 
kinda dumb if you ask me... Pay twice the parasitic fee for the same boost...

A larger single turbo would walk all over a s/c+turbo set-up.

That vovlo engine looks bad ass though ~~!!

Spenser 12-03-2004 10:14 AM

Re:turbo & supercharger = power
 
yea, but the zero lag would own you :P

TekPhobia 12-03-2004 10:23 AM

Re:turbo & supercharger = power
 
Funny, HKS used to make a twincharge kit for my motor (Toyota 4AGZE). I think it sold for something like $5000. They're VERY rare.

Unfortunately, the SC12 ain't the greatest. What with it's SEAL-LESS design >:(

-Tim

whiterice 12-03-2004 05:47 PM

Re:turbo & supercharger = power
 
hks and meguiars did that twin-charged type-r a long time ago.
it made over 400 hp on a stock b18c5 motor. i think the only change was that the pistons were coated with something.
http://www.superstreetonline.com/fea...618/index.html

O 16581 72452 5 12-05-2004 04:29 PM

Re:turbo & supercharger = power
 
I don't like it, i've heard of this set-up before and honestly, i'm not impressed with the results. Is removing the lag worth the hastle and parasitic drag of the supercharger in high RPMs?

baldur 12-05-2004 07:32 PM

Re:turbo & supercharger = power
 
Some Volvo Penta marine engines come twincharged from the factory, and the supercharger has an electromagnetic clutch. When you push up the accelerator it clutches the supercharger in for a couple of seconds and then releases it and lets the turbo make all the power ;D

89dxhunchback 12-06-2004 03:36 AM

Re:turbo & supercharger = power
 
all newer benz have that too ( s/C clutch thingy ), but that doesn't by pass the rotors of the blower... The turbo still has to push air past the S/C.

spoiledbratracing 12-06-2004 08:12 AM

Re:turbo & supercharger = power
 
if you did a vortex charger that you could make a y pipe for you can get the same boost from it! if you use the jrsc its in the intake manifold and can not be shut off! if will slow down the charged air like kink bends... and you guys know how bad kink bends can be!


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