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RotaryGeek 07-11-2006 08:02 PM

turbo deisel ef hatch?
 
if i bought a used UK spec turbo deisel with ecu, wiring harnes, and converted a ef hatch to deisel, using a si tranny. i could convert it to run on used food oil. then up the boost to like 15 pounds and have a really cheap gas sipper that isnt really slow. and it smells good. do you think it would work? i know i would have to change out the fuel pump and fuel lines, and buy the conversion kit to actually convert the used oill.

HMTguy 07-11-2006 08:04 PM

Re: turbo deisel ef hatch?
 
If you want to smell like french fries, sure ;)

Zeniceguycrx 07-11-2006 08:07 PM

Re: turbo deisel ef hatch?
 
use the turbo and through in a dohc

HondaTuner 07-11-2006 08:08 PM

Re: turbo deisel ef hatch?
 
why would you convert? unless you plan to spend wayy too much, or can get the oil free/cheap...

baldur 07-11-2006 08:19 PM

Re: turbo deisel ef hatch?
 
You can also just brew biodiesel from the used oil, no conversion needed then.

con 07-11-2006 08:43 PM

Re: turbo deisel ef hatch?
 
any links/ info on that engine?

kamilk69 07-11-2006 10:00 PM

Re: turbo deisel ef hatch?
 
yea their was an entire episode on trucks of how to brew biodiesel. it comes out to be 30 cents cheaper then regular diesel, but i say ---- that i put farming diesel into my truck.

HMTguy 07-11-2006 10:03 PM

Re: turbo deisel ef hatch?
 
Is it worth the 30 cents for the lack of convenience? For some people it might be but you can't just pull up to almost any gas station and get it like you can with regular diesel.

TunerToys 07-12-2006 12:07 AM

Re: turbo deisel ef hatch?
 
More info on this engine please? As far as I can tell, this was in the 2002 models, and was the same engine as used in some of the Vauxhuals and Citroens. Is it a direct bolt up, or do you need the tranny too?

I'd love to import one of these engines to the US, and then pull a "Banks" on it.

Craig

StrykerGSR 07-12-2006 12:44 AM

Re: turbo deisel ef hatch?
 

Originally Posted by kamilk69
yea their was an entire episode on trucks of how to brew biodiesel. it comes out to be 30 cents cheaper then regular diesel, but i say ---- that i put farming diesel into my truck.

then they are doing it wrong/poorly. it should only cost less than $.70 a gallon.

blackice90hb 07-12-2006 12:48 AM

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then up the boost to like 15 pounds and have a really cheap gas sipper that isnt really slow
Boost a STD or CX. same goal, less cold.

Tom-Guy 07-12-2006 12:57 AM

Re: turbo deisel ef hatch?
 
Some fuel systems are destroyed by biodiesel. Pumps become clogged, etc. Talk to several people who have done the conversion on your make car first, please.

Also, I did not know anything from the 80's or 90's Civics came diesel... details pls!!11

RotaryGeek 07-12-2006 09:17 AM

Re: turbo deisel ef hatch?
 
i dont have any of the details, i was watching dirty jobs with mike rowe on tv and they were doing something about a bio deasil truck, in the end it came out to about 55 cents a gallon and it got like 45 mpg. on boost it would probably get about 30, but 30 mpg on a boosted car that is decent quick as a daily driver (or maybe even just becuase ive never seen anybody do it and i want it as my project car. as far as i know, im the only one who has thought of it). i think it would be badass. i would probably need the motor mounts. i have a friend who welds aluminum so i can probably get away with custom mounts and linkages if there isn't an oem solution to it. but what i want to know is, is it possible? i know of a couple importers for jdm motors (nipponmotors.com) but i can't seem to find any for UK spec engines. as far as i know there isn't a turbo deasil jdm motor. i would really prefer a 1.5 - 1.7, but i wouldn't mind a different size. hopefully stick to a d series. if its a d series i would just bolt on an ef cable si tranny and hope the rest of the mounts work. that covers shift linkages too. it would probably be cheaper to make an adapter plate from the tranny to the motor if it doesn't fit than completely make new mounts if i had to use the turbo deasil tranny. so i could still use stock axles and motor mounts, shift linkages (all the bitch ---- about an ef). so hows it sound? if anybody finds something on this motor that seems worthwhile, post it up.

Tom-Guy 07-12-2006 10:45 AM

Re: turbo deisel ef hatch?
 
So there is no Honduh diesel of that year? Completely gay.

Boost does not decrease diesel efficiency, since you don't need to run them rich. Too much fuel is what melts a diesel down... but you won't hurt one boosting 30 psi on a stock non-turbo pump + injectors.

Sticking a clockwise rotating engine to a counterclockwise rotating Honduh transmission is not the way to go FTW.

88crxSi 07-12-2006 11:54 AM

Re: turbo deisel ef hatch?
 
not to mention the changes needed to the fuel system. Diesel uses HIGH pressure puimps and lines.. you'd have to change all those.

JonDouglas 07-12-2006 12:20 PM

Re: turbo deisel ef hatch?
 

Originally Posted by crx88Si
not to mention the changes needed to the fuel system. Diesel uses HIGH pressure puimps and lines.. you'd have to change all those.

I don't have an extensive knowledge of diesels but, I don't think this necessarily true. They do run extremely high fuel pressures but I believe that those pressures are only present after the injector pump wich is usually located on the engine itself.

Could be wrong. :-X

Bone1 07-12-2006 04:27 PM

Re: turbo deisel ef hatch?
 
I would us a HF tranny instead, turbo diesels make TORQUE and lots of it.

AgentMurdoc 07-12-2006 06:52 PM

Re: turbo deisel ef hatch?
 

Originally Posted by Mista Bone
I would us a HF tranny instead, turbo diesels make TORQUE and lots of it.

haha my dad's turbo diesel piece of ---- wagon owns. wwwwwwwwwwwwwwrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rrrrrrrr.... no psssh for him though.

gttiross 07-12-2006 08:02 PM

Re: turbo deisel ef hatch?
 
as far as im away ive never seen a honda turbo diesel over here ( UK )

unless some of the new 2005/2006 models came with them?

certainly never in an EF!


RotaryGeek 07-12-2006 08:40 PM

Re: turbo deisel ef hatch?
 
i know they never came in an ef, but i remember seeing a post about a turbo deasil honda on here a while ago. i searched but couldn't find it. i was pretty sure it was from the UK but i could be wrong. someone has to know where it is so i can try to find an importer. a turbo deasil ef hatch is badass

TunerToys 07-12-2006 09:52 PM

Re: turbo deisel ef hatch?
 
So I currently have an 82 Mercedes Turbo Diesel running on SVO (Straight Vegetable Oil), and it does just fine. Next is the step to WVO (Waste Vegetable Oil). All it will need is moisture and contaminates removal to run it. There are no modifications needed to do this with a direct injection car, such as a Mercedes. Also, I can run it straight, becuase I live in Arizona, and don't have to worry about gelling of the oil. In colder climates, this is a real problem, as the oil gets thick and sometimes solid. This is where bio-diesel conversion comes in to play. The conversion is needed to convert the oil into a stable fuel for colder temperatures. Some processes do this by diluting the oil with gasoline (such as www.dieselsecret.com), others by by mixing with lye and other caustic stuff (such as the process seen on "Trucks").

WVO is by far the cheapest (free), but with some work to it for filtering. SVO is not that much cheaper than regular diesel when purchased new in jugs, but there is some savings, and it better for the environment. Processes such as diesel secret end up at about 56cents per gallon, while higher end processes cost more per gallon.

I had thought about putting a rabbit diesel engine into a CRX and turbo'ing the ---- out of it, but just don't have the time. This UK diesel engine solution would be much better, as long as I got the whole front section of the car imported. Still a lot of work to do this just for fun.

Craig

kamilk69 07-12-2006 11:16 PM

Re: turbo deisel ef hatch?
 

Originally Posted by StrykerGSR
then they are doing it wrong/poorly. it should only cost less than $.70 a gallon.

i ment 30 cents cheaper for every liter.

Tom-Guy 07-12-2006 11:30 PM

Re: turbo deisel ef hatch?
 

Originally Posted by TunerToys
others by by mixing with lye and other caustic stuff

Alkaline saponifications rule!

RotaryGeek 07-13-2006 11:39 AM

Re: turbo deisel ef hatch?
 
thanks for the info but i still couldn't find one. im using the net from my cell phone also, so its slow and can't do a lot of the things a comp can. if someone could look it up for me it would be cool.

linkmustang 07-15-2006 10:34 PM

Re: turbo deisel ef hatch?
 
the greade part is not easy to do ---- ya it was for me go toe greasel.com man and order one of there kits i have one on my 82 vw rabbit ls diesel 2 door works like a charm u have two tanks with fuel selecter i will hwlp u man it easy do it man

RotaryGeek 07-16-2006 07:38 PM

Re: turbo deisel ef hatch?
 

the greade part is not easy to do ---- ya it was for me go toe greasel.com man and order one of there kits i have one on my 82 vw rabbit ls diesel 2 door works like a charm u have two tanks with fuel selecter i will hwlp u man it easy do it man
huh? thanks for the help...... i think. try english next time and it would work a lot better.

Researcher 07-16-2006 07:49 PM

Re: turbo deisel ef hatch?
 

Originally Posted by TunerToys
So I currently have an 82 Mercedes Turbo Diesel running on SVO (Straight Vegetable Oil), and it does just fine. Next is the step to WVO (Waste Vegetable Oil). All it will need is moisture and contaminates removal to run it. There are no modifications needed to do this with a direct injection car, such as a Mercedes. Also, I can run it straight, becuase I live in Arizona, and don't have to worry about gelling of the oil. In colder climates, this is a real problem, as the oil gets thick and sometimes solid. This is where bio-diesel conversion comes in to play. The conversion is needed to convert the oil into a stable fuel for colder temperatures. Some processes do this by diluting the oil with gasoline (such as www.dieselsecret.com), others by by mixing with lye and other caustic stuff (such as the process seen on "Trucks").

WVO is by far the cheapest (free), but with some work to it for filtering. SVO is not that much cheaper than regular diesel when purchased new in jugs, but there is some savings, and it better for the environment. Processes such as diesel secret end up at about 56cents per gallon, while higher end processes cost more per gallon.

I had thought about putting a rabbit diesel engine into a CRX and turbo'ing the ---- out of it, but just don't have the time. This UK diesel engine solution would be much better, as long as I got the whole front section of the car imported. Still a lot of work to do this just for fun.

Craig

Now all you need is a flux capaciter and if you can get up to 88mph in that thing then its back to the future for you.

TunerToys 07-16-2006 08:02 PM

Re: turbo deisel ef hatch?
 

Originally Posted by Researcher
Now all you need is a flux capaciter and if you can get up to 88mph in that thing then its back to the future for you.

Yep, sure feels like I hit my head a few times for this project....

buk9tp 07-16-2006 08:17 PM

Re: turbo deisel ef hatch?
 

Originally Posted by RotaryGeek
huh? thanks for the help...... i think. try english next time and it would work a lot better.


the greade part is not easy to do ---- ya it was for me go toe greasel.com man and order one of there kits i have one on my 82 vw rabbit ls diesel 2 door works like a charm u have two tanks with fuel selecter i will hwlp u man it easy do it man
the grease part is not easy to do, but it was for me, go to www.greasel.com and order one of the kits, i have one on my 1983 vw rabbit ls diesel 2 door, works like a charm, you have two tanks with a fuel selector, i will help you man its easy to do.

buk9tp 07-16-2006 08:20 PM

Re: turbo deisel ef hatch?
 

Originally Posted by TunerToys
The conversion is needed to convert the oil into a stable fuel for colder temperatures.

dont they have heated tanks for that ???

i saw it somewhere dont remember where.. its basically a small heater.. and it runs off of a seprete battery that will keep it hot for 8 hours i think.. and when u get home just keep the heater plugged in.. and u can turn the heater system off when the weather gets warmer..


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