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MikeJ-2009 09-15-2007 02:16 AM

Re: "Terrorism" predictions.
 
If Special Agent Jonny isn't too overwhelmed, I'd like to hear your reasoning for all these people hearing explosions at the base of the twin towers. No, this isn't days later during an interview, this is real time, multiple people saying the same ----.


http://youtube.com/watch?v=8n-nT-luFIw

I'm not naive enough to not ask questions.

Jorsher 09-15-2007 02:18 AM

Re: "Terrorism" predictions.
 

Originally Posted by Stealthmode
If Special Agent Jonny isn't too overwhelmed, I'd like to hear your reasoning for all these people hearing explosions at the base of the twin towers. No, this isn't days later during an interview, this is real time, multiple people saying the same ----.


http://youtube.com/watch?v=8n-nT-luFIw

I'm not naive enough to not ask questions.

Curious as well. I'm not a conspiracy theorists, but I tend to question different possibilities. I thought it was interesting the twin towers were built to withstand a plane crashing into them.

J-SMITH69 09-15-2007 03:58 AM

Re: "Terrorism" predictions.
 
probably because it sounds like explosions when buildings collapse.

N1ghtM0nkey 09-15-2007 06:16 AM

Re: "Terrorism" predictions.
 
These conspiracy theorists are funny.

I'm curious, perhaps you master theorists can help me out here. I just want to know what you think.

Why would the government orchestrate the 9/11 attacks?

What did they have to gain by killing 3000+ innocent citizens?

If all of this is a conspiracy theory, why hasn't anything except internet speculation been done about it?

Isn't it kind of hard to hide these types of things from billions of people across the world, some that saw what happened with their own eyes?

If it wasn't a plane that hit the Pentagon, and it wasn't a plane that crashed into a field...what happened to the people that were on the supposed destroyed planes?

And also if you claim there was positive identification of bodies at the Pentagon....doesn't that mean case closed for conspiracies since people on that flight were at the Pentagon?

If it wasn't an American Airlines plane that hit the Pentagon...why was there at least SOME wreckage there that was from the plane?

If those planes didn't go down, where are the people now and how much are they being paid to hide there, and by who?

And lastly...you can sit here and argue all day that it's a conspiracy and it wasn't the planes that the government said it was that hit the buildings, but that's all you've got. All you can "prove" or at least try to prove is exactly that. I've seen plenty of these videos and some of them have compelling evidence, but none of them ever answer WHY - why would the government orchestrate somethign like this. Can you tell me?

N1ghtM0nkey 09-15-2007 06:18 AM

Re: "Terrorism" predictions.
 

Originally Posted by AWDstylez
Because idiots like you are too busy calling me a communist and talking ---- to realize that I said I was voting for Ron Paul too, dumbass. ::)


Originally Posted by AWDstylez
16

Mentally? Way older than you.

Hmmm....and when is your birthday?

signorelli21 09-15-2007 07:55 AM

Re: "Terrorism" predictions.
 

Originally Posted by n1ghtm0nkey

And lastly...you can sit here and argue all day that it's a conspiracy and it wasn't the planes that the government said it was that hit the buildings, but that's all you've got. All you can "prove" or at least try to prove is exactly that. I've seen plenty of these videos and some of them have compelling evidence, but none of them ever answer WHY - why would the government orchestrate somethign like this. Can you tell me?

Nothing can be proved because all the actual evidence is locked away at a hanger in JFK airport, all requests for documents or video tapes are either denied outright or blacked out so badly that the information gained is worthless, but that does not make the official account of what happened any more accurate or plausable.

I think it is funny how people always try and turn things around and ask what the government has to gain and how would they pull this off, bla bla bla. all they had to do was look away and if you actually read any of the official accounts of what happened that day, thats exactly what they did, Mohammad Atta was a known terrorist and so were most of the other hijackers, the cia had been following him around for years prior to sept 11 and the 911 commission stated that they tracked him into the us, suspecting him to be plotting some kind of attack. While at the airport all 4 groups of hijackers were flagged by airport security for additional screening, one of the airport screeners flagged a group (in boston i believe) because she said the men seemed suspicious and did not speak any english and would not follow basic instructions, and yet all of them were allowed on the planes.

This ---- isn't new by the way, look at all the wars the us has been involved in the last century and look at how they started, WW! with the sinking of the Lusitania which was carrying supplies to help the british ( it was told to be a passenger ship but in reality was fitted with mounts for guns on if needed later, this was a secret to everyone except the germans) people were warned not to travel to Great Britain because the germans warned that they would sink any ship that tried to aid them, yet they did it anyway, two years later wilson declared that we needed to make the world safe for democracy.

WW2 began because of the attack on pearl harbor, there were quite a few reports that this was coming yet all these reports were ignored.

The Korean war seemed inevitable because both sides wanted to reunite the country under their own system, oddly 5 days before the north invaded the south secretary of state dean atchusen said that no such war was likely.

Vietnam was started because of the gulf of tonkin incident which we now know was entirely faked by the cia to give an excuse for the U.S to get into the war. http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB132/ this is important because the people who are now in charge were all aids during this time, and vietnam is strikingly similar to the war in iraq.

Anyway the problem with people who beleive the official account is the fact that almost none of them have actually read the official account, or the reports that it sights for reference in proving its claims.

N1ghtM0nkey 09-15-2007 08:16 AM

Re: "Terrorism" predictions.
 

Originally Posted by signorelli21
Nothing can be proved because all the actual evidence is locked away at a hanger in JFK airport, all requests for documents or video tapes are either denied outright or blacked out so badly that the information gained is worthless, but that does not make the official account of what happened any more accurate or plausable.

I think it is funny how people always try and turn things around and ask what the government has to gain and how would they pull this off, bla bla bla. all they had to do was look away and if you actually read any of the official accounts of what happened that day, thats exactly what they did, Mohammad Atta was a known terrorist and so were most of the other hijackers, the cia had been following him around for years prior to sept 11 and the 911 commission stated that they tracked him into the us, suspecting him to be plotting some kind of attack. While at the airport all 4 groups of hijackers were flagged by airport security for additional screening, one of the airport screeners flagged a group (in boston i believe) because she said the men seemed suspicious and did not speak any english and would not follow basic instructions, and yet all of them were allowed on the planes.

How is it funny when people turn things around and ask what the government has to gain and how would they pull it off?

Are those not valid questions or am I just missing the point?

You didn't answer my question. How hard is it really to just give me a straight answer other than tell me that it's funny when I ask these questions?

So you guys come to these conclusions and say "haha we did it...we proved the government was behind it because....well......well because they're evil!"

All the theorists in this thread also chose to ignore buk's pictures which clearly depict the same kind of crash as the pentagon. But let's not get into that, just answer my questions instead of simply calling them funny questions.

Racintweek 09-15-2007 08:53 AM

Re: "Terrorism" predictions.
 

Originally Posted by n1ghtm0nkey
These conspiracy theorists are funny.

I'm curious, perhaps you master theorists can help me out here. I just want to know what you think.

Why would the government orchestrate the 9/11 attacks?

the same reason other governments have staged attacks, a reason for war/control

What did they have to gain by killing 3000+ innocent citizens?

to make sure war/control actually happens

If all of this is a conspiracy theory, why hasn't anything except internet speculation been done about it?

because our government(of the people, by the people) wont give any real info to the people

Isn't it kind of hard to hide these types of things from billions of people across the world, some that saw what happened with their own eyes?

mass media

If it wasn't a plane that hit the Pentagon, and it wasn't a plane that crashed into a field...what happened to the people that were on the supposed destroyed planes?

you think planes did crash there, you say it happened prove it

And also if you claim there was positive identification of bodies at the Pentagon....doesn't that mean case closed for conspiracies since people on that flight were at the Pentagon?

that means the governments claim of a plane vaporizing is bogus and other theories should be investigated

If it wasn't an American Airlines plane that hit the Pentagon...why was there at least SOME wreckage there that was from the plane?

how did a plane vaporize but people and parts are still found

If those planes didn't go down, where are the people now and how much are they being paid to hide there, and by who?

maybe you should ask our government............nevermind they dont liike to answer people requests for public info

And lastly...you can sit here and argue all day that it's a conspiracy and it wasn't the planes that the government said it was that hit the buildings, but that's all you've got. All you can "prove" or at least try to prove is exactly that. I've seen plenty of these videos and some of them have compelling evidence, but none of them ever answer WHY - why would the government orchestrate somethign like this. Can you tell me?


in our government(and many others around the world) when someone makes a claim they have to prove it for it to be taken as truth. why is it when people as legitimate question or state real facts they are the ones on trial??

N1ghtM0nkey 09-15-2007 10:03 AM

Re: "Terrorism" predictions.
 

Originally Posted by Racintweek
the same reason other governments have staged attacks, a reason for war/control

to make sure war/control actually happens

because our government(of the people, by the people) wont give any real info to the people

mass media

If it wasn't a plane that hit the Pentagon, and it wasn't a plane that crashed into a field...what happened to the people that were on the supposed destroyed planes?

you think planes did crash there, you say it happened prove it

And also if you claim there was positive identification of bodies at the Pentagon....doesn't that mean case closed for conspiracies since people on that flight were at the Pentagon?

that means the governments claim of a plane vaporizing is bogus and other theories should be investigated

If it wasn't an American Airlines plane that hit the Pentagon...why was there at least SOME wreckage there that was from the plane?

how did a plane vaporize but people and parts are still found

If those planes didn't go down, where are the people now and how much are they being paid to hide there, and by who?

maybe you should ask our government............nevermind they dont liike to answer people requests for public info

First off, you didn't answer any of my questions.

Okay so let's assume the government orchestrated 9/11 for a reason to go to war. Why? Why would the government like to do that?

And better yet how does planning to kill 3000+ innocent citizens happen? Does the president just wake up one morning and decide he wants to go to war? Your claim of the government wanting to go to war is bullshit unless you can show me something definitive that would make the cost of the war worth it.

You already got the info from people who were there and news media, the reason you're not getting any more info is because it doesn't exist.

Yes, mass media is also another reason why it's hard / impossible to hide conspiracies with billions of people across the globe watching.

Okay so if it wasn't planes that crashed there, what happened to the missing flights? And if it wasn't planes that crashed there why is there supposedly human remains inside the Pentagon?

I don't recall the government actually saying anything about vaporizing, that was limited to this thread as far as I know, but again you dodged the question. Why do other theories need to be investigated if they have positively identified a body inside the pentagon, the body of somebody who was on that flight? Does that not beyond a shadow of a doubt prove that the plane hit the Pentagon?

Again with the vaporizing thing, you still try to dodge this one but you admit to people and parts of the plane being found...that's pretty much the nail in the coffin of your conspiracy theory.

Maybe I should ask the government? No, I'm asking you guys. You guys are the experts of all that is 9/11 conspiracy, you know everything about thermal dynamics, you know everything about the physics of the crash - you're all experts so tell me where the people are if the planes didn't crash into the buildings and it was all a hoax to get us to go to war for....err....why did we go to war if it wasn't to combat terrorism?

signorelli21 09-15-2007 10:06 AM

Re: "Terrorism" predictions.
 
It was funny to me because I can't believe that was a serious question, ok so what does our government have to gain?

First you should realize that its not really the government but rather industry that has a controlling share in the government known as the military industrial complex, which is comprised of mainly weapons manufacturers such as lockeed martin, northrop grumman, and various other contracting companies such as blackwater, haliburton, etc.

Basically there are influential people in the government that wanted saddam out of iraq after the initial gulf war but it was always felt that the cost for such a manuveure was higher than Americans were willing to pay, Paul Wolfowitz wrote about this and said that we needed a great catastrophe to unite the country against the middle east and support regime change in iraq. Ron paul actually gave a speech in 1998 where he advised the us not to go into iraq because it would result in an endless war and be a huge cost to taxpayers. http://www.house.gov/paul/press/press98/pr021298.htm

Anyway to answer your question, what does the government actually gain? MONEY!!

Whats the first thing that happens when we go to war? we draw up a a war spending bill that outlines how much money we will need and who gets how much, and since its wartime this is never really scrutinized by congress like all other spending bills so they ( they being the people getting us into the war) get all the money and more then they want.

I mean look at all the companies making money in iraq right now and how many of them are ripping off the system, I read an article a few weeks ago where a shipping company was in trouble for fraud because they were charging the government 400,000 dollars to ship a 29 cent bolt, and they did this alot because theres a loophole in the law that automatically pays shipping on anything headed to iraq and noone really bothers to look at it.

Dick cheney has 433,333 shares of stock in a company called Halliburton which was awarded a 1.7 billion dollar open ended contract for work in Iraq without bidding against competing companies, Paul Wolfowitz was appointed head of the world bank in march of 05, and heres a nice article on the top ten worst war profiteers :
http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/41083/

They also lost 9 billion dollars and have no idea where it went, lol. still wondering what they have to gain?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...n1302378.shtml

MikeJ-2009 09-15-2007 12:01 PM

Re: "Terrorism" predictions.
 

Originally Posted by n1ghtm0nkey

Okay so let's assume the government orchestrated 9/11 for a reason to go to war. Why? Why would the government like to do that?


If you can't answer this question on your own, it's no wonder you can't comprehend questionable aspects of the attacks. You're just the kind of citizen the government likes. Afraid to question anything, even if it doesn't make sense.


AWDstylez 09-15-2007 12:30 PM

Re: "Terrorism" predictions.
 

Originally Posted by n1ghtm0nkey
And better yet how does planning to kill 3000+ innocent citizens happen?

Some quotes you might want to think about when asking yourself questions like that:


Originally Posted by Adolph Hitler
The great masses of the people ... will more easily fall victims to a big lie than to a small one.
The efficiency of the truly national leader consists primarily in preventing the division of the attention of a people, and always in concentrating it on a single enemy.


The size of the lie is a definite factor in causing it to be believed, for the vast masses of a nation are in the depths of their hearts more easily deceived than they are consciously and intentionally bad. The primitive simplicity of their minds renders them a more easy prey to a big lie than a small one, for they themselves often tell little lies, but would be ashamed to tell big lies.


All propaganda must be so popular and on such an intellectual level, that even the most stupid of those toward whom it is directed will understand it... Through clever and constant application of propaganda, people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way around, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise.

How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think.

If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.

The art of leadership... consists in consolidating the attention of the people against a single adversary and taking care that nothing will split up that attention.

When an opponent declares, "I will not come over to your side," I calmly say, "Your child belongs to us already... What are you? You will pass on. Your descendants, however, now stand in the new camp. In a short time they will know nothing else but this new community




Originally Posted by n1ghtm0nkey
You already got the info from people who were there and news media, the reason you're not getting any more info is because it doesn't exist.

Yes, mass media is also another reason why it's hard / impossible to hide conspiracies with billions of people across the globe watching.

In fact, mass media is the BEST way to hide the truth. It is 100% government controlled and people like you will take its word as gospel truth. What better way to cover the truth than that?

News said it went like this, it must have gone like this. /critical thinking, brain shut off in 5...4...3...2..




Originally Posted by Stealthmode
If you can't answer this question on your own, it's no wonder you can't comprehend questionable aspects of the attacks. You're just the kind of citizen the government likes. Afraid to question anything, even if it doesn't make sense.

Amen.

J-SMITH69 09-15-2007 01:29 PM

Re: "Terrorism" predictions.
 
the problem with the pentagon CT is that its idiotic and the truth is obvious.

if you want to be a black helicopter wack job, you need to stick to CT that cannot be proven either way. that way you can make outrageous claims and nothing can be proven.

MikeJ-2009 09-15-2007 01:56 PM

Re: "Terrorism" predictions.
 
I bet nigmonkey doesn't believe that the federal reserve is privately owned by large banks, who take our income taxes as interest on all the money they print out of thin air for us either. :o

delicatessen 09-15-2007 02:47 PM

Re: "Terrorism" predictions.
 
Really good explanation of the money system. http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...arch&plindex=0
Yes the Fed controls a ton and even though I've been researching a little bit of this before I just finished ECON class and am astounded at the extent of their influence. FDIC banks are all subject to the Fed and must follow lock-step with policy. Fractional Reserve Banking is how they're able to accomplish what they do through the banking system.

Do you honestly think the media tells us the truth. We are cattle to be herded and controlled. http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...arch&plindex=0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi5NaQZVC48 I highly suggest reading and watching as much as you can about William Cooper. He was killed Nov 5th, 2001 by our own gov't and accurately predicted the 9/11 attack. If you are truly serious about finding out what's going on then research the Mystery Schools. Cooper did a whole broadcast on them --> http://oneheartbooks.com/resources/a...ry_babylon.htm

The media was telling us back in the 90s that Osama and Tim Mcveigh were working together and had somehow contacted each other and were coordinating. A CNN news crew was able to find him in his cave somewhere. We have America, Britain, and Israel looking for this douche and we CAN'T find his ass.

Racintweek 09-15-2007 02:50 PM

Re: "Terrorism" predictions.
 

Originally Posted by n1ghtm0nkey
First off, you didn't answer any of my questions.

Okay so let's assume the government orchestrated 9/11 for a reason to go to war. Why? Why would the government like to do that?

are you really that ignorant?? if there isnt a war then businesses that rely on sales of military equipment/supplies dont make money. why do you think there was a big stink about halliburton when we went to iraq??

And better yet how does planning to kill 3000+ innocent citizens happen? Does the president just wake up one morning and decide he wants to go to war? Your claim of the government wanting to go to war is bullshit unless you can show me something definitive that would make the cost of the war worth it.

control by fear, and refer to my first response

You already got the info from people who were there and news media, the reason you're not getting any more info is because it doesn't exist.

we arent getting more info because our government says "its a risk to national security"

Yes, mass media is also another reason why it's hard / impossible to hide conspiracies with billions of people across the globe watching.

its the easiest way to hide it, only tell the people what you want them to hear. you ever wonder why all the people interviewd that said things that contradixted the government never made ot to air other than if they were live??

Okay so if it wasn't planes that crashed there, what happened to the missing flights? And if it wasn't planes that crashed there why is there supposedly human remains inside the Pentagon?

i am not claiming any thing, you are, prove to me a plane hit the pentagon. its your claim you back it up

I don't recall the government actually saying anything about vaporizing, that was limited to this thread as far as I know, but again you dodged the question. Why do other theories need to be investigated if they have positively identified a body inside the pentagon, the body of somebody who was on that flight? Does that not beyond a shadow of a doubt prove that the plane hit the Pentagon?

Again with the vaporizing thing, you still try to dodge this one but you admit to people and parts of the plane being found...that's pretty much the nail in the coffin of your conspiracy theory.

i was merely reitterating what another member said, i stand corrected.
but since we are on the subject, why is it that the pentagon, a heavily armored facility, sustained the same amount of damage as an unprotected apartment complex? (as shown in buks pictor)


Maybe I should ask the government? No, I'm asking you guys. You guys are the experts of all that is 9/11 conspiracy, you know everything about thermal dynamics, you know everything about the physics of the crash - you're all experts so tell me where the people are if the planes didn't crash into the buildings and it was all a hoax to get us to go to war for....err....why did we go to war if it wasn't to combat terrorism?

once again refer to my first comment, and the fact that you think our government cant hide a few people is ludacris






all i am asking for is irrefutable evidence of the claims that our government makes. if someone accused me of murder wouldn't they have to present evidence to prove it?? why cant i ask the government for the same thing they ask me for??



yayopwrcrx 09-15-2007 07:06 PM

Re: "Terrorism" predictions.
 
asked a couple big money fund managers
none of these said put contracts were actually bought....

someone is trying to save the dough they're losing by ------ing this theory so everyone shorts the same -----typical stock scam just using a little more scare w/ "terrorism"


also i suggest none of you even waste your time thinking about this ----. I'm pretty sure half of you aren't qualified to be in any of the positions that these said people are - Who made these said decisions about blowing up anything, staging attacks what have you.


let them do their job, or move......

MikeJ-2009 09-15-2007 08:34 PM

Re: "Terrorism" predictions.
 

Originally Posted by yayopwrcrx
asked a couple big money fund managers
none of these said put contracts were actually bought....

Here's some other sources for the info.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...rket_crash.htm
http://www.financialnews-us.com/?pag...tid=2448565379
http://digg.com/business_finance/HUG...g_Market_Crash

UPDATE

(from above link)
UPDATED INFORMATION - AUGUST 28, 9:30 PM EST

Many sources are now indicating these options were called and profit made.

N1ghtM0nkey 09-16-2007 08:48 AM

Re: "Terrorism" predictions.
 

Originally Posted by signorelli21
It was funny to me because I can't believe that was a serious question, ok so what does our government have to gain?

First you should realize that its not really the government but rather industry that has a controlling share in the government known as the military industrial complex, which is comprised of mainly weapons manufacturers such as lockeed martin, northrop grumman, and various other contracting companies such as blackwater, haliburton, etc.

Basically there are influential people in the government that wanted saddam out of iraq after the initial gulf war but it was always felt that the cost for such a manuveure was higher than Americans were willing to pay, Paul Wolfowitz wrote about this and said that we needed a great catastrophe to unite the country against the middle east and support regime change in iraq. Ron paul actually gave a speech in 1998 where he advised the us not to go into iraq because it would result in an endless war and be a huge cost to taxpayers. http://www.house.gov/paul/press/press98/pr021298.htm

Anyway to answer your question, what does the government actually gain? MONEY!!

Whats the first thing that happens when we go to war? we draw up a a war spending bill that outlines how much money we will need and who gets how much, and since its wartime this is never really scrutinized by congress like all other spending bills so they ( they being the people getting us into the war) get all the money and more then they want.

I mean look at all the companies making money in iraq right now and how many of them are ripping off the system, I read an article a few weeks ago where a shipping company was in trouble for fraud because they were charging the government 400,000 dollars to ship a 29 cent bolt, and they did this alot because theres a loophole in the law that automatically pays shipping on anything headed to iraq and noone really bothers to look at it.

Dick cheney has 433,333 shares of stock in a company called Halliburton which was awarded a 1.7 billion dollar open ended contract for work in Iraq without bidding against competing companies, Paul Wolfowitz was appointed head of the world bank in march of 05, and heres a nice article on the top ten worst war profiteers :
http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/41083/

They also lost 9 billion dollars and have no idea where it went, lol. still wondering what they have to gain?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...n1302378.shtml

Well it looks like you were the only one that made any kind of interesting or credible argument. AWDstylez decided to quote Hitler about things that can be applied to the conspiracy theory too....if you put it out there enough and lie to people enough about it they'll start to believe it, as made obvious by this thread. Racintweek didn't really have anything new to say and Stealthmode thinks everybody should know what the government is up to already. If you knew, why wouldn't you answer my question instead of dodge it?

Anyways I still think this argument you posted is a little shaky because the war is not all profit. Even so, I think this is the only actual attempt to answer my questions which is all I asked for, not for people to try and dismiss my questions as silly and not answer them. If they're so silly, why not answer them?

Oh, and AWDstylez you never posted up your birthday, perhaps you won't be voting then?

AWDstylez 09-16-2007 11:37 AM

Re: "Terrorism" predictions.
 

Originally Posted by n1ghtm0nkey
Well it looks like you were the only one that made any kind of interesting or credible argument. AWDstylez decided to quote Hitler about things that can be applied to the conspiracy theory too....if you put it out there enough and lie to people enough about it they'll start to believe it, as made obvious by this thread. Racintweek didn't really have anything new to say and Stealthmode thinks everybody should know what the government is up to already. If you knew, why wouldn't you answer my question instead of dodge it?

Anyways I still think this argument you posted is a little shaky because the war is not all profit. Even so, I think this is the only actual attempt to answer my questions which is all I asked for, not for people to try and dismiss my questions as silly and not answer them. If they're so silly, why not answer them?

Oh, and AWDstylez you never posted up your birthday, perhaps you won't be voting then?

More than one person answered your question, you failed to see it.

Let me ask you just as you asked us, what do the conpiracy theorists have to gain? Nothing. They're trying to promote free thinking and maintaining out rights. The government is the only party with MUCH to gain in all of it. In addition to the money, they gain control over ignorant people like you that believe everything they say and they can use that influence to make you do anything they want. The Patriot Act and the many other acts passed since 9/11 that destory your rights are perfect examples of this. People like you are so busy pointing figures and fighting the false fight (OMGZGZ THOSE DAMN LIBERALS) that you can't see what's happening. The things that were posted about war profit are just common knowledge and yet you're so blinded by your own bias that it took four different people telling you the same thing before you got it.

And if you think it's not hard to go into a polling place that doesn't require ID (small town) and give your neighbor's name and vote, you're on drugs.

J-SMITH69 09-16-2007 02:51 PM

Re: "Terrorism" predictions.
 

Originally Posted by AWDstylez
More than one person answered your question, you failed to see it.

Let me ask you just as you asked us, what do the conpiracy theorists have to gain? Nothing. They're trying to promote free thinking and maintaining out rights. The government is the only party with MUCH to gain in all of it. In addition to the money, they gain control over ignorant people like you that believe everything they say and they can use that influence to make you do anything they want. The Patriot Act and the many other acts passed since 9/11 that destory your rights are perfect examples of this. People like you are so busy pointing figures and fighting the false fight (OMGZGZ THOSE DAMN LIBERALS) that you can't see what's happening. The things that were posted about war profit are just common knowledge and yet you're so blinded by your own bias that it took four different people telling you the same thing before you got it.

And if you think it's not hard to go into a polling place that doesn't require ID (small town) and give your neighbor's name and vote, you're on drugs.

now we're back to start.

name one right you lost from the patriot act. OH WAIT YOU DIDN'T LOSE ANY LOL

awdstylez you are really a bad person, if you go vote illegally it just prove once again you hate the united states.

just admit you hate it...

no one is "believing what the government says blindly"

we saw live video of planes hitting the towers, we say pictures taken from private citizens seconds after a plane hit the pentagon.

just admit you hate the US.

MikeJ-2009 09-16-2007 03:17 PM

Re: "Terrorism" predictions.
 

Originally Posted by random-strike
probably because it sounds like explosions when buildings collapse.

Oh, ok. We'll just trust that then. :X

jinxy 09-16-2007 03:34 PM

Re: "Terrorism" predictions.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

Racintweek 09-16-2007 03:43 PM

Re: "Terrorism" predictions.
 

Originally Posted by random-strike
now we're back to start.

name one right you lost from the patriot act. OH WAIT YOU DIDN'T LOSE ANY LOL

the fact that the government can search me and my belongings with out a warrant. i do believe that is against the constituion

awdstylez you are really a bad person, if you go vote illegally it just prove once again you hate the united states.

just admit you hate it...

no one is "believing what the government says blindly"

we saw live video of planes hitting the towers, we say pictures taken from private citizens seconds after a plane hit the pentagon.

we also saw a list of "terrorists" who were on the planes, but a third of them were found alive weeks later. ::)

just admit you hate the US

why dont you just admit there are more holes in the 9/11 commisions story than a 100lb slab of swiss cheese


bluerex 09-16-2007 04:09 PM

Re: "Terrorism" predictions.
 
http://usera.imagecave.com/markyanno...demolition.jpg

MikeJ-2009 09-16-2007 05:04 PM

Re: "Terrorism" predictions.
 
What, you're saying that pillar didn't snap in a perfect 45 degree angle? You know, like the demolition guys describe doing to columns before they implode a bitch?

Oh wait, that was probably cut by one of those firefighters to resemble a 45. I bet they were democrats. :1

J-SMITH69 09-16-2007 05:46 PM

Re: "Terrorism" predictions.
 

Originally Posted by Racintweek


proof they were found alive? another crackpot CT dumbass theory

there is only one case where someone who was an US citizen got searched without a warrent, and he was missidentified... they thought he was someone else... a non us citizen. and he got TWO MILLION DOLLARS in settlement.


yayopwrcrx 09-16-2007 05:48 PM

Re: "Terrorism" predictions.
 

Originally Posted by Stealthmode
Here's some other sources for the info.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...rket_crash.htm
http://www.financialnews-us.com/?pag...tid=2448565379
http://digg.com/business_finance/HUG...g_Market_Crash

UPDATE

(from above link)
UPDATED INFORMATION - AUGUST 28, 9:30 PM EST

Many sources are now indicating these options were called and profit made.


all of the news is owned by money companys

ex: our good friends that supply www.yahoo.com -

FACT is that yahoo is the most twisted news to raise money out there.

Your linking websites that can be bought and sold by even the smallest investment firms.

---- man, if i had enough cash to actually make it worth it... ID make some dumb ass sites and link them to people....
Fear makes people do dumb ----.

J-SMITH69 09-16-2007 05:49 PM

Re: "Terrorism" predictions.
 

Originally Posted by Stealthmode
What, you're saying that pillar didn't snap in a perfect 45 degree angle? You know, like the demolition guys describe doing to columns before they implode a bitch?

Oh wait, that was probably cut by one of those firefighters to resemble a 45. I bet they were democrats. :1

ohh wait weren't the dumbass CT faggots claiming the bombs were on the floors right below where the planes hit, damn those are great CAI pilots to pick the exact floors right above where the bombs were put without anyone in a PRIVATLY OWNED building knowing.

that pillar is on the ground level.

where did the bombs go off liberal nutcases, make up your mind.

talk about completly retarded.

i still say, for anyone to believe this CT theory, you have to be seriously mentally challenged, or just hate the US and say stupid ---- no matter what happens.

why do all the faggots on youtube make videos cutting out only the parts they want to show? like the interview with mike walters, where he says "it looked like a cruise missle..... a cruise missle with wings" they conviently cut out the part where he said it was AN AMERICAN AIRLINES JET about 5 seconds before.

talk about LOSERS.

MikeJ-2009 09-16-2007 06:02 PM

Re: "Terrorism" predictions.
 

Originally Posted by yayopwrcrx

all of the news is owned by money companys


I know how easy it is to have a website, I was just sighting other sources who were saying the same.




Originally Posted by random-strike
ohh wait weren't the dumbass CT faggots claiming the bombs were on the floors right below where the planes hit, damn those are great CAI pilots to pick the exact floors right above where the bombs were put without anyone in a PRIVATLY OWNED building knowing.

I have no idea what you're talking about, and surely that point hasn't come up in this thread.




Originally Posted by random-strike
i still say, for anyone to believe this CT theory, you have to be seriously mentally challenged, or just hate the US and say stupid ---- no matter what happens.

Well, that's what you're supposed to say. Having a real conversation about questionable issues with anything can be avoided by simply painting the other people as crazy. The last thing liars want to do is have a real conversation about anything, so they avoid it at all costs. It was designed that way, and I'd say the government could surely convince you to give GW oral. You'll come around to thinking for yourself one day, Republicrat or not.

J-SMITH69 09-16-2007 06:06 PM

Re: "Terrorism" predictions.
 
im not a republican.

i dont like 50% of what GW does. and i dont care about him at all.

question all you want.

you still have to be mentally retarded to believe a plane did not hit the pentagon.

id like to know how the government percisly planted bombs in the towers without the PRIVATLY OWNED tower security, mantience, etc... knowing.

oh and how did the government plant all those peices of american airlines parts all over the pentagon without anyone knowing. since you CAN DRIVE RIGHT UP TO THE ------- PENTAGON ::)

the CAI must be able to freeze time, walk around and plant their stuff, then unfreeze time.

i bet GW invented that technlogy since he is an evil genius, oh wait, was it evil genius or completly dumbass that can't string two words together. hmm i'll turn on mslsd and see what they are saying he is today.

hey, on a good note, at least you guys can get disabled parking permits.

MikeJ-2009 09-16-2007 06:42 PM

Re: "Terrorism" predictions.
 
I'm not asking you to accept that a plane didn't hit a damn building, I'm asking you to start thinking for yourself. If news coverage taken at the base of a building has numerous people saying there's explosions going off, you don't write it off as "maybe that's the dee de doh sound buildings that are falling down make", as if the interviews all happened as the buildings were falling.
Now, over the long drawn out day the media isn't to be trusted either, but these were pretty spontanious interviews that were never brought up again. Doesn't that still leave you with questions of why people thought they were hearing explosions from a building that only should have had one explosion (the plane hitting). Can you look at a 45'd pillar and realize it just doesn't break like that, and it's also the same 45 that you'd see after a building implosion?

You don't have to buy the conclusion I'm laying out, but I'd hope that you aren't writing off simple "WTF?" questions that are being pointed out. And please, don't accept the governments answers as a substitute for thinking, because they don't have any answers.

J-SMITH69 09-16-2007 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Stealthmode
I'm not asking you to accept that a plane didn't hit a damn building, I'm asking you to start thinking for yourself. If news coverage taken at the base of a building has numerous people saying there's explosions going off, you don't write it off as "maybe that's the dee de doh sound buildings that are falling down make", as if the interviews all happened as the buildings were falling.
Now, over the long drawn out day the media isn't to be trusted either, but these were pretty spontanious interviews that were never brought up again. Doesn't that still leave you with questions of why people thought they were hearing explosions from a building that only should have had one explosion (the plane hitting). Can you look at a 45'd pillar and realize it just doesn't break like that, and it's also the same 45 that you'd see after a building implosion?

You don't have to buy the conclusion I'm laying out, but I'd hope that you aren't writing off simple "WTF?" questions that are being pointed out. And please, don't accept the governments answers as a substitute for thinking, because they don't have any answers.

what do you think it sounds like when a gigantic building falls onto itself. probably loud, like an explosion. how many people have heard an actual explosion? pretty much no one. oh wait... the movies. everyone has heard one...

im not blindly believing the government.

how do you know it doesn't break like that? are you a ------- expert on how skysscrapers break after jetliners hit them then they collapse on themselves?

the government can't keep a breaking into a hotel secret, they can't keep the president getting a BJ in the oval office a secret, what in the world makes you think this could ever be a huge government wide conspiracy.

its truely idiotic to think anything like that could be pulled off.

Racintweek 09-16-2007 08:33 PM

Re: "Terrorism" predictions.
 

Originally Posted by random-strike

proof they were found alive? another crackpot CT dumbass theory

there is only one case where someone who was an US citizen got searched without a warrent, and he was missidentified... they thought he was someone else... a non us citizen. and he got TWO MILLION DOLLARS in settlement.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1559151.stm that was a after 2 seconds of searching, do you want me to find more??


people recieve settlements to keep thier mouth shut and to keep them from pressing charges. if they did nothing illegal or un constitutional they wouldnt have paid him ;)

J-SMITH69 09-16-2007 08:41 PM

Re: "Terrorism" predictions.
 
man you are right, now i'm a believer that evil genius bush really did plan all this out! i can't believe you figure it all out man!

the next time someone says bush is stupid im going to correct them, hell no nigga da bush planned the atackkkzzzz


FBI Director Robert Mueller acknowledged on Thursday that the identity of several of the suicide hijackers is in doubt.

MikeJ-2009 09-16-2007 08:50 PM

Re: "Terrorism" predictions.
 
Bush could never pull all of this off himself /simple logic.

Our government isn't run by the President anyway. He acts in the interests of others, and it's not your everyday citizen. Once we all stop thinking that criticizing the government means criticizing our country, I think we'll all start seeing the light. This is the same government that makes you pay taxes on your labor, your goods, and everything else you own, and then taxes it all over again when you die. Really, it's fucked.

stevenb 09-16-2007 08:51 PM

Re: "Terrorism" predictions.
 

Originally Posted by random-strike
man you are right, now i'm a believer that evil genius bush really did plan all this out! i can't believe you figure it all out man!

the next time someone says bush is stupid im going to correct them, hell no nigga da bush planned the atackkkzzzz

You remind me of a few people that I had debate class with in highschool and college.

When people prove your theory is wrong, or start proving your theory is wrong you resort to changing the dynamics of the conversation to something else that's a hot spot within that debate.

After a while the original debate disappears and it appears as though you win the debate about what noone remembers you were arguing about.

It's rather comical to watch people with little minds such as yourself use this tactic. Then continue avoiding questions that will further compromise your views.

Grow up a little then join the political debates.

J-SMITH69 09-16-2007 09:18 PM

Re: "Terrorism" predictions.
 

Several reports, from shortly after the attacks, said that some of the men named as hijackers on 9/11 were alive, and had been victims of identity theft. These thefts were said to have occurred as long ago as 1995. More recent reports have corrected the earlier mistaken articles.
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/27/inv.suspects/


Originally Posted by stevenb
You remind me of a few people that I had debate class with in highschool and college.

When people prove your theory is wrong, or start proving your theory is wrong you resort to changing the dynamics of the conversation to something else that's a hot spot within that debate.

After a while the original debate disappears and it appears as though you win the debate about what noone remembers you were arguing about.

It's rather comical to watch people with little minds such as yourself use this tactic. Then continue avoiding questions that will further compromise your views.

Grow up a little then join the political debates.

you're a clown.

my theory is not wrong. a plane hit the pentagon. if you deny that you are dillusional.

you haven't proved ONE thing in this debate. NOTHING. not one thing. you cannot prove your theory, because IT IS NOT TRUE. its not even close to being true. its so far off in outerspace no one ever will take you seriously.

i just posted pictures taken literally 30 seconds after the plane hit, showing american airlines debris everywhere, photos taken by citizens. these photos were not seized.

don't you think all the fruity ass faggots that make these stupid claims, and if they were true they would dissapear and be killed? if you believe these theories the government has already killed thousands of citizens, why would they stop at some stupid ass kid.

you have absolutely nothing backing your theory, there isn't one single thing. except what you THINK should happen when a plane hits a concerte building.


J-SMITH69 09-16-2007 09:20 PM

Re: "Terrorism" predictions.
 

Originally Posted by Stealthmode
Bush could never pull all of this off himself /simple logic.

Our government isn't run by the President anyway. He acts in the interests of others, and it's not your everyday citizen. Once we all stop thinking that criticizing the government means criticizing our country, I think we'll all start seeing the light. This is the same government that makes you pay taxes on your labor, your goods, and everything else you own, and then taxes it all over again when you die. Really, it's fucked.

hmm yes, all those hundreds of thousands of people involved have all kept quiet about it, yeap they are all sooooo loyal to bush they would never leak anything, or tell anyone else! wow that is amazing how they did that. wow wow wow

seriously, you have to be a ------- dumbass to believe any of these theories.

MikeJ-2009 09-16-2007 09:31 PM

Re: "Terrorism" predictions.
 
If anyone says this isn't the case, then Venezuala is for jooo.


http://www.infowars.com/print/Sept11...commission.htm

The late Admiral Chester Ward, who resigned from the CFR in disgust after being a member for 16 years, was not exaggerating when he charged that the group's agenda is to promote "disarmament and submergence of U.S. sovereignty and national independence into an all-powerful one-world government." The leadership of the group, he said, "is composed of the one-world-global-government ideologists � more respectfully referred to as the organized internationalists."


The council on foriegn relations is the #1 enemy of the US, and I wonder who's running for President:

Democrat CFR Candidates:

Barack Obama

Hillary Clinton

John Edwards

Chris Dodd

Bill Richardson

Republican CFR Candidates:

Mitt Romney

Rudy Giuliani

John McCain

Fred Thompson

Newt Gingrich

Just search CFR and you'll all find out.


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