Supertechs engineer replying to my questions regarding my cams/followers dying
 

I personally dont think that .0s30 is going to fix iyt what do you nigs think.......

Stock lenghth ferrea 600 valves, with supertechs springs and TI retainers + Stock cams (JDM) and stock cam followers





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The supplier that you mentioned also sells its own springs so that is why I am wondering....

At any rate, our H22 springs have around 80 lbs of seat pressure. It seems that for some reason this pressure may be too high for those cams. So you need to use a softer spring. One way to lower the spring pressure is to increase the installed height. We have a retainer RET-H1000/T2 that installs 0.030” higher and will lower the pressure to about 72 lbs. I am not sure if this will be enough to eliminate the wear you are having, but it is similar to current Factory S2000 and K20 factory engines.



VERY IMPORTANT: the kind of wear that you mention usually happens when the engines is running at very low rpms and breaks the oil film due to the pressure so a good quality oil may also help.



Regards





Willy Tagliavini
Supertech Performance Inc.
3580 Charter Park Dr., San Jose, CA 95136
Ph: 408-448-2001
Fax:408-448-3700
willy@supertechperformance.com
www.supertechperformance.com


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From: Brian [mailto:briankspiker@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 4:01 PM
To: 'Willy Tagliavini'
Subject: RE: Item #8076281166 (SUPERTECH H22 Springs and retainers)- Cams getting eaten up.



Stock h22 USDM cams the first time.. Now running stock JDM cams (had changed the followers too as the pads were destroyed on the vtec lobes, the cams themselves are fairing better than the pads on the cam follower/rocker…. As I mentioned they are Supertech.. ive seen them before, I just checked the valves… Stock height valves… called the machine shop too they did not machine the spring seats and did use the spring locator (stock), so everything should be stock height. Im baffled.. has ALL KINDS OF OIL PRESSURE…..



I really appreciate your help guys.



Brian







-----Original Message-----
From: Willy Tagliavini [mailto:willy@supertechperformance.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 5:57 PM
To: 'Brian'
Subject: RE: Item #8076281166 (SUPERTECH H22 Springs and retainers)- Cams getting eaten up.



According to your description, the springs seems to be from Supertech, but to be 100% sure we would need to check the spring.



What cams are you using ?



Willy Tagliavini
Supertech Performance Inc.
3580 Charter Park Dr., San Jose, CA 95136
Ph: 408-448-2001
Fax:408-448-3700
willy@supertechperformance.com
www.supertechperformance.com


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From: Brian [mailto:briankspiker@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 3:43 PM
To: 'Willy Tagliavini'
Subject: RE: Item #8076281166 (SUPERTECH H22 Springs and retainers)- Cams getting eaten up.



Ive read threads on Honda – tech and talked to somne other people who have had this problem with others and your springs… skunk 2, omnis too… this guy claims on his site that hes a authorized seller of your stuff: I need some help. They came in a bag (static bag… and definitely appeared to be authentic..



I have other friends running your stuff, and they appear exactly the same.



Heres a link to the guys store… note AUTHORIZED SELLER part…





Please help!!!



http://myworld.ebaycom/engine-dynamics-usa/



Thank you,



Brian











-----Original Message-----
From: Willy Tagliavini [mailto:willy@supertechperformance.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 5:34 PM
To: 'Brian'
Subject: RE: Item #8076281166 (SUPERTECH H22 Springs and retainers)- Cams getting eaten up.



Brian

We do not sell directly to Engine Dynamics so I am not sure if you received an H22 spring from Supertech. The part number should be SPR-H1000D and the retainer RET-K20A2/T2.

We have sold many thousands H22 springs and we never had a claim of this kind before.



So

1) first it is necessary to make sure you received Supertech parts

2) It is necessary to check that the Ferrea 6000 valves locates the retainer at the correct installed height of 35.50mm (1.397”)

3) Some aftermarket camshafts are too soft and abrasive for stiffer than factory springs



Best regards



Willy Tagliavini
Supertech Performance Inc.
3580 Charter Park Dr., San Jose, CA 95136
Ph: 408-448-2001
Fax:408-448-3700
willy@supertechperformance.com
www.supertechperformance.com


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From: Brian [mailto:briankspiker@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 2:55 PM
To: enginedynamicsusa@yahoo.com
Cc: info@supertechperformance.com
Subject: Re: Item #8076281166 (SUPERTECH H22 Springs and retainers)- Cams getting eaten up.



If it helps transaction #: 3mk33627p6761203c





Guys:



I bought a set of SUPERTECH Springs and retainers from you (in addition to some other stuff as well). Great service as far as getting me my item…. I now have a problem…. It seems as though the springs are TOO stiff. I have been in contact with Supertech (actually ccing them to this email…. I did NOT receive an invoice with a part number from you, and need the Supertech part number so that we can further troubleshoot the problem.



Could you please get in touch with me soon, as In put Only 1500 miles on my 10,000 dollar motor, and the cam followers and cams are getting eaten alive (ive already had to replace the cams and followers.. Its happening again)….. Have verified its NOT oil pressure or lobes not getting lubrication… I have kick ass oil pressure, yet the VTEC cam follower lobes appear to be eating themselves alive. This motor has a lot of money in it, it concerns me that the cams/rockers are basically self destructing.



This is a freshly built Sleeved H22 running CP pistons with OEM bearings and EVERY BOLT/SEAL/etc.. brand new… Balanced blueprinted. I appreciate you guys help in trying to rectify the situation. They are ordinary H22 cams that should cause NO issues… they didn’t with the stock springs….

Ferrea 6000 valves, Your spring and retainers and a mild port and polish… There shouldn’t be any issues







PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE help!!! Motors going back in the car this weekend, and I need help!!!








PS (thanks Martin@ Supertech)

Re: Supertechs engineer replying to my questions regarding my cams/followers dyi
 

Sounds like a bunch of bs, BTW you need some cliff notes that ---- is a lot.

Re: Supertechs engineer replying to my questions regarding my cams/followers dying
 

that ebay link is dead

Re: Supertechs engineer replying to my questions regarding my cams/followers dyi
 

There's no spring pressure on almighty V-Tech lobes/rocker arms at low RPMs. :1

Re: Supertechs engineer replying to my questions regarding my cams/followers dyi
 

That being said. Maybe there is an issue with the LMAs.


Also another thing comes to mind. Retainer to guide clearance. I wouldn't think it would be an issue with stock cams, but maybe the underside of the retainer is too long. I should destroy your valve seals first though, and it ought to make a hell of a lot of noise.

IDK Just some ideas.

I don't really get the point of stiffer springs on a VTAK engine. Valve float should be pretty minimal the the LMAs there.

Re: Supertechs engineer replying to my questions regarding my cams/followers dyi
 

Turbo cars require them as power, and rpms, gets up there. You won't turn 10K in a turbo Honda without 100+ lb springs, whereas the NA ones just need correctly designed springs that follow the cam lobe.

Re: Supertechs engineer replying to my questions regarding my cams/followers dyi
 

Care to elaborate a little JD?

Re: Supertechs engineer replying to my questions regarding my cams/followers dyi
 

Thermal mass, my bitchtits.

Ever noticed how modulus of elasticity changes with temperature? The exhaust valve is the number one focal point of thermal assraping. Can you connect the dots?

Re: Supertechs engineer replying to my questions regarding my cams/followers dyi
 

Lol, slow down there JD. I haven't made it to any of the good classes yet in my pursuit of an Engineering degree.

Basically you are saying that the stiffer springs are needed to counteract the increased weight of a much beefier valve, which is deemed necessary to handle the increased EGTs.

:S

Re: Supertechs engineer replying to my questions regarding my cams/followers dying
 

when you heat metal with a torch, can you not bend and hammer it easier than when its cold?

same with valvesprings, nigrow lips

Re: Supertechs engineer replying to my questions regarding my cams/followers dyi
 

Doh.

:-[

Re: Supertechs engineer replying to my questions regarding my cams/followers dyi
 

Yo Jo seph.. hit me on the phone wehnever you get a chance.....

PST EST whatever.

SPiker

Hrm
 

It's not yet 9am here in the EST, making it before 6am in Spikerland... Yes, I do believe it is time to call. You asked for it, man-----.

Re: Supertechs engineer replying to my questions regarding my cams/followers dying
 

bdv i thought your name was brian spilner there for a second. I guess im not seeing right.

Sorry about your build man. hope you get it figured out. Looks like supertech has some kick ASS customer service

Re: Hrm
 

just gone to bed, missed ya. lol...

Re: Supertechs engineer replying to my questions regarding my cams/followers dying
 

So hers the answer with my reserved rebuttal...start from the bottom up (its continuing the original post of the email thread).....:

Seriously??? I can show you the specs of the valves they are not the problem. STOCK DIMENSIONS AND LOCK LOCATION.. The oil… not a problem, and you are not wiling to try and help someone using your stuff??? That’s a pretty crappy way to treat your customers…. If you choose not to help me your products will definitely never make it into another build of mine… Id think that a set of retainers (with the old ones on my motor sent back) would be a small price to pay for customer satisfaction. Maybe not in this case. I will be sure to post the outcome of this situation, as there are a number of people on a few forums interested to see how the issue is handled.

This motor was built, had TONS of oil pressure and only had 1500 miles on it. Give me a break. Oil was changed at 150 miles (organic for break in), then at 750, and switched to mobile 1 at 1300. Had the balance shafts removed with a kit, and the piston squirters blocked off. I had all kinds of oil pressure.. And NEVER was it shitty or worn out…..I had like 80 PSI at 2500 rpms… The vtec lobes also don’t see load at low rpms like you were saying.. they only get engaged at 4500 rpms (in my setup) Hence your theory of my low speed oil dispersion doesn’t seem to apply either….

HOW IN THE HELL CAN YOU SAY THAT THE PRODUCT IS NOT DEFECTIVE when it is CHOWING on my cams and rockers???? Not just one, but starting on the second OEM cam, so the cam isn’t the issue either. Im saddened that you guys CAN help me out and CHOSE not too, especially when it is readily apparent that it’s the only thing that can be causing this… Ill send you this crap back, I don’t need it. ---- I can send you some pictures… This is not some backyard garbage build, I have a metric crap ton of money in this thing

A disappointed customer who possibly wont be back.

Brian Spiker



-----Original Message-----
From: Willy Tagliavini [mailto:willy@supertechperformance.com]
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 9:22 AM
To: 'Brian'
Subject: RE: Item #8076281166 (SUPERTECH H22 Springs and retainers)- Cams getting eaten up.

We are sorry but we are unable to do this. The product is not defective and we don’t know why you are having that problem. There could other issues from the aftermarket valves (keeper / groove location) to oil quality that can be promoting that problem.

Sorry..

Willy Tagliavini
Supertech Performance Inc.
3580 Charter Park Dr., San Jose, CA 95136
Ph: 408-448-2001
Fax:408-448-3700
willy@supertechperformance.com
www.supertechperformance.com

From: Brian [mailto:briankspiker@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 2:29 PM
To: willy@supertechperformance.com; info@supertechperformance.com
Cc: enginedynamicsusa@yahoo.com; blindfashion@msn.com
Subject: FW: Item #8076281166 (SUPERTECH H22 Springs and retainers)- Cams getting eaten up.



-----Original Message-----
From: Brian [mailto:briankspiker@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 10:35 AM
To: 'Willy Tagliavini'
Cc: enginedynamicsusa@yahoo.com; blindfashion@msn.com
Subject: RE: Item #8076281166 (SUPERTECH H22 Springs and retainers)- Cams getting eaten up.

Well at this point ive already eaten a set of cams, and rocker assy’s. Ive replaced them and am getting ready to put my motor back in this weekend… itd be nice if you guys could at least send me the different springs,retainers or better yet even.. both, so that I could at least give that a shot before having to try and come up with a 1500 dollar roller cam setup J I would gladly send you these back……


Thanks.

Brian



Their ---- will never make it into another build oif mine.

Re: Supertechs engineer replying to my questions regarding my cams/followers dyi
 

They might have listened to that if you had used spell check, Brian.

I have pics of an engine I tuned that dropped the heads off of some Supertech valves last night. I really don't know what to say. ---- happens?

Bottom line, the guy you are exchanging emails with is a wop. No good can come of dealing with wops. Watch the movie Boondock Saints if you need a refresher on Italians.

Re: Supertechs engineer replying to my questions regarding my cams/followers dyi
 

hahaha i ran it through before i sent the messages... Its not the spelling that gets me, Typing owns me!!!!

You dont think i was too brasch do ya???


EDIT: I actually just got off the phone with someone else and they are going to have the owner give me a call and seem willing to try and makew it right... Hope they do anyways.... well see.

Re: Supertechs engineer replying to my questions regarding my cams/followers dyi
 

Holy ---- JD, thats on the ------- money right there. god damn daygos

Eh
 

Its really only Jersey Italians that suck... But I have met a few of those who are cool nonetheless.

Re: Supertechs engineer replying to my questions regarding my cams/followers dying
 

BOondock saints is classis. Sorry to hear you are having issues brian. Good luck.

Re: Supertechs engineer replying to my questions regarding my cams/followers dying
 

The newest reply:

Brian

Again, the springs are not defective and are well designed for high performance and racing applications. We have already sold many thousands of those springs all over the world, so we know about their performance. Because of this we cannot give you parts for free.

We can give you a good deal on replacement retainers if you like. But still we cannot guarantee that this will solve your wear problem.



Everybody has different applications and components so it is the responsibility of the engine builder to choose the right components specification for their set-up. Our springs are well designed but we cannot guess everybody’s needs for their application and because of this we cannot replace them for free.



I hope you can understand



Best regards



Willy Tagliavini
Supertech Performance Inc.
3580 Charter Park Dr., San Jose, CA 95136
Ph: 408-448-2001
Fax:408-448-3700
willy@supertechperformance.com
www.supertechperformance.com


Im thinkimngits about time for the old turd in a box... Im actually starting to get pissed off now. ------- faggot ass "WOP" Ya JD... you were correct... Itallians FTL (allthough he sounds more along the lines of chin-goo-koo

Re: Supertechs engineer replying to my questions regarding my cams/followers dying
 

Under no surcumstances should they have to replace your ----. Its not that common of a problem and its anything they did wrong, its gay as H seriesness.

Re: Supertechs engineer replying to my questions regarding my cams/followers dying
 

I honestly dont even see where you get off bitching at them. Its not the springs fault that it happend. its not even supertechs problem, its a design flaw by ye old honda. and it doesnt happen very often at all.

Re: Supertechs engineer replying to my questions regarding my cams/followers dying
 

H seriesness..

LOL



Can you blame me that im black and tryng to get them to exchange my retainers for free??? I said EXCHANGE NIG... I DONT expect anything for free from them.... and ya i understand they want my ---- back first... Just sux.


---- THEM THEY SHOULD BOW DOWN TO THE BIG NIG AND RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH!!!

Re: Eh
 

Um, Staten Island/Long Island WOPs>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Northern Jersey WOPs

Re: Supertechs engineer replying to my questions regarding my cams/followers dyi
 

What is it?


So that's your major malfunction.

Re: Supertechs engineer replying to my questions regarding my cams/followers dyi
 

I'm a mutt but not Italian in the least. I'm mostly eastern/central european and a bit mick. I'm from NJ. The WOPs in NJ are bad, but don't come close to the trash that resides on Staten Island and Long Island. I should also note that I'm from Central NJ so even if I was a WOP, the likelihood of me being the shitty NJ WOP you speak of would be minimal.