a step in the right direction
 

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Too bad I can't vote more than once.

edit: wait, there was no law passed

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the law was passed it just hasn't taken effect yet.

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I guess if it is true and with the way it was redacted it also excludes legal inmigrants, then no I don't agree.

I also don't see why landlords have to check for papers now, that's not their job.


Does that also mean that IF someone was vacationing from another country and they where going to spend the whole summer in the US and A....lol.... 3 or 4 months, they could not rent a house because they are not citizens?


I think the problem is in the borders, lock them up somehow, then start kicking people out. But you cannot, even if they are illegal, refuse humane services, that being food, medical help, housing etc, to someone in need.


It's a hard situation to deal with. :8

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I say automated turrets... :6

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Set up a mine field FTW! :8 :X

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The perfect thing to do would have people in areas smothered with illegals ask for photo ID for humane services.

No ID? No McDonald's for you. It would send the perfect message, if you're not a US citizen, we don't want your pesos. We don't want your people in our hospitals, we don't want you in our apartments, we don't want you in our houses, we don't want you in our work places - WE DON'T ------- WANT YOU.

If they required proof for more ----, it would make living here harder. A few weeks of starvation, living in the street, just as poor as you were when you lived in Mexico, and your ass would go back - because at least you could buy food.

Of course, even though this would be a great way to solve a hard problem...human rights and civil service fuckers would complain and give hand outs, blow jobs, and a nice ass to ----. ------- limp wrist cock suckers.

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:y

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this is directed towards illegals, if you are vacationing from another country you will have proper paperwork. passport, visas, etc
if you are illegal you dont have those things

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More importantly, all it will mean is, it becomes the landlords responsibility to ensure they tenant is legal. That means if they are found to be renting to an illegal immigrant, they will be responsible for committing a crime.

So you'll end up convicting people in the US. The immigrants will still get deported, just like they always have done, but the landlord will get screwed worse then before.

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It is the landlords problem, because they will be harboring a federal criminal

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^^^ :y

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I voted no, only becauese while Johnny is technically right, the bottom line is that it's the job of the federal government to make sure the borders are air tight, and that all illegals are dealt with.

Small things that discourage illegals in any given area is focusing on the wrong issue. The real issue is that the federal government are a bunch of fuckups. Until that issue is addressed, I wouldn't want to distract people with bullshit laws that won't amount to ---- compared to the real problem.


The prostitution rests. :1

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I don't know why all you ------- american's get so pissed about illegal immigrants. Its not as though many of you can claim to be american indian. Face it, your country is founded on immigrants, legal or otherwise, just because you idiots have passports doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme of things.

And ----, if you stopped letting the mexicans in, who'd mow your lawn and clean your houses. I say, offer anyone who wants to work the opportunity to enter, tell them they will receive no benefits for the first 10yrs of being a resident and after those 10yrs they are expected to have obtained a certain level of literacy and language skills. Any criminal activity will have them deported and any children born in the USA are only granted passports if their parents become legal.

You might not like it, but adding more and more legislation isn't going to do jack ----. You might as well learn to accept the problem. And if you start complaining about people claiming benefit or taking your jobs, in the uk, it was found the unemployed were mostly too lazy to work, or unwilling to work as hard for as little money as economic immigrants. Your not going to change that by deporting the immigrants.

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::)

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That a few miles south from me in Dallas county. The funny thig is that that town is a ------- shithole. Mostly white trash and beaners. So yeah, basically a shithole of a town :y

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delete dammit

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learn to accept the problem?? are you ------- crazy?? if a guy comes to your house everyday and sleeps on your porch and you tell him to leave and he wont, will you continue to let him sleep on your porch? if he get hurt on your property it is YOUR responsibilty to pay for it. that scenario sounds very familiar

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What's your point? There were a hundred citizens back then, not 300 million. Now it's becoming a problem. This country cannot afford to support the weight of millions of illegal aliens through welfare and free medical care. We can't really afford wars either, but wars kick ass, and illegal aliens do not.

---- that. Not only do I clean my own house and mow my own ------- lawn, I try as much as I can to support local American business. Offering them the opportunity to work? ---- THAT. We can't afford it. Social Security is already in the shitter, and the last thing we need is a bunch of 40 year old Mexicans to come here, work for 10 years, and then milk the system for 30. And as far as criminal activity goes, we don't have the money to deport them now. How is that going to change?

Bullshit. Adding more and more legislation will eventually lead to diverting money from stupid programs like setting up water points across arizona for the ------- wetbacks to drink out of so they don't die to hiring more border patrol, INS, and other things that will actually make a difference. I don't care if Americans won't clean a bathroom for 5$ an hour. So we'll pay them 10. Big ------- deal. I'd much rather pay an extra 40 cents for bread and milk 5X a week than to have to listen to salsa music blaring from sanchos one bedroom apartment with 498 people in it, having to submit to random security screenings at the airport, or try to order some food at a ----------ing taco bell without having to SOUND IT OUT for some ------- idiot who can't understand a word I'm saying.

In our schools they now teach english as a second language! While our country doesn't have an "official" language, all of our road signs and warning labels are in english. In the DMV now they have instruction books printed in 15 different languages! We only have one language on our road signs. English. And I sure as ---- do not want to share the road with some uninsured ching chong meow that can't read state patrol messages on billboards or construction signs. Bottom line is they are here illegally, most are a burden on our social system, and need to go.

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Heres the deal...

That law is the key to getting rid of illlegals.

If they have no place to live, they wont want to be here.

But it will be damn near impossible to enforce, because a brother, cousin, mother father someone who is legal will rent the apartment for them. And then Jose and his wife Maria and there 6 kids, and Jose's brother and his wife and there 6 kids, and Jose's brother in law, and his wife and his wife's cousin will move into the 2 bedroom apartment and ratpack the ----------er

The way i see it is that all the illegal immigrants are the reason housing is so ------- expensive

put it this way the average cost of rent here in OC for a 2 bedroom apartment is about $1300-$1800 a month
This means that a single family will have to end up spending about 35-50% of their income on housing alone

Now we take jose, his wife, his brother in law his wife, and so on and so forth thats 7 adults and a ---- load of kids living in a place designed for 2 adults and 2 kids, so thats 1800 devided by 7 = about 250 per adult (about 20-25% of income @6.50min wage) basically ---- change for them, of coarse the quality of life for them is shitty, but who the ---- are they to complain

But this is where they come into play, You know that whole supply vs. demand ---- you were taught in econ. Well all these immigrants coming in need someonewhere to live, so theyre going to rent up all the cheap apartments and probably stay there for a long time, so now they supply of apartment has gone down, and the demand for them has gone up, so guess what. The price starts to go up too, and all the decent hard working folks have to cut back on ---- just to pay the rent, while these illegal ass fucks dont give a ----, start pressing the copy button on the human xerox machine 10x's, filling up all the god damn schools, tying up the medical system, filling up the jails, and taking up all the god damn parking!!!

so to sum it all up, its a good idea, it just wont work....

can i suggest caning in public as a deturrent? or hell even branding???

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You never will until you share borders with a 3rd world country.

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Lazy ----------ers are the ones who "need" these illegals. It's not that hard to clean your own house and mow your own damned lawn. Hell, when I was younger I had some neighbors hire me to mow their lawn. 12 year old punk with a pushmower. Did they really need it? No, but they were helpin out a neighbor kid make some cash. Every neighborhood has atleast one kid to do that crap, or you could always get off your lazy ass and do it yourself...

And I hate that people say I'm racist when I tell them I do not like illegals being allowed in the states; I don't care where the ---- you're from, if you're illegal get back to where you belong. Do you not think for two seconds that there are people all over the world that probably want to come to the United States and be a citizen? I say let them go through the process and come! BUT, just because Mexico borders us people think it's all right for them to come across. So, lets have all the people of the world who want to come to America come through just like the illegals from the south do. Yeah, great plan :1

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In the UK, we currently have a massive influx of cheap eastern european labour. Any russian with a polish/czech grandparent is getting a european passport and travelling to the countries which pay best. They fill a need in the labour market for cheap skilled and unskilled labour. Now we don't pay $120/hr for a plumber, we pay $20. Has it taken away jobs from the british people? Not really, our plumbers have now got higher skillsets and are used to do high precision high quality work.

We bought in large numbers of indians and the second generation have a work ethic, have been to school and now work in our hospitals and pharmacy's. Ultimately, illegals don't claim benefits (for fear of deportation), they put back less then they take out (statistically proven with statistics). They are a benefit to our country.

And the people who are hardest hit by economic immigration are the people who don't work hard in school, expect a shitty job, expect benefits when they can't work, expect to be looked after. I worked hard to go through college and get a good job and its paid off. Not some 'chav' who pumps out 20 kids and lives on benefits. Its scum like that who were given the opportunity and wasted it who make me sick. Not some polish dude willing to work long and hard to make a better life for himself.

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europes economy is weak as its people.

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Maybe that's the case in the UK, but here, they are practically encouraged to do so.

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Who gives a ----, thats capitalism isn't it. Their money still spends the same and they work harder for it. Take your job? Yep, thats the name of the game isn't it. You want some kind of protection over it, you're just a douchebag socialist :1 I want protection because im a white american and i dont wanna work hard, the mexicans are stealing my money :'(.


I'll clue you in, its not mexicans that are stealing your money and jobs. Its the upper class you give so much freedom to in the name of capitalism using capitialism to come back and bite you in the uneducated ass.