run your car with water
07-11-2008, 12:28 AM
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Re: run your car with water
Originally Posted by rsmith2786
First of all, most of the power pushing the space shuttle into space is sold fuel not water. The new space shuttle will run on gel fuels. The most important flaw with what you said is that the space shuttle runs on nothing but water power. Thats is where all of this goes wrong. Hydrogen and Oxygen are not the same as water. There is a very important fundamental difference. You are correct that O is much more reactive than O2 but what you failed to realize is that at standard temp. and pressure two O atoms bind to form O2.
Basically what i am getting as is nothing "runs" on water. You can put a ---- ton of energy INTO the water and get something that will give you LESS energy in return.
Basically what i am getting as is nothing "runs" on water. You can put a ---- ton of energy INTO the water and get something that will give you LESS energy in return.
07-11-2008, 10:09 AM
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Re: run your car with water
Originally Posted by Joseph Davis
Now you're being obtuse.
Ever see water dripping from an exhaust pipe, holmes? Steam out the exhaust on cold mornings? Now where do you think that comes from.
Ever see water dripping from an exhaust pipe, holmes? Steam out the exhaust on cold mornings? Now where do you think that comes from.
The main emissions of a car engine are:
* Nitrogen gas (N2) - Air is 78-percent nitrogen gas, and most of this passes right through the car engine.
* Carbon dioxide (CO2) - This is one product of combustion. The carbon in the fuel bonds with the oxygen in the air.
* Water vapor (H2O) - This is another product of combustion. The hydrogen in the fuel bonds with the oxygen in the air.
Taken from page 2...http://auto.howstuffworks.com/catalytic-converter1.htm
07-11-2008, 10:14 PM
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Re: run your car with water
I saw one of those HHO supplement systems installed on this guy's Chevy truck at a car show. From what I saw he hd the thing making the gas, and was simply piping it into the intake tube before the throttle body.
The whole thing seemed sketchy, especially since their "kits" were anywhere from $400 to $1200.
The whole thing seemed sketchy, especially since their "kits" were anywhere from $400 to $1200.
07-12-2008, 05:11 PM
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Re: run your car with water
Originally Posted by bigwig
Hydrogen is an idea that might work in 50 years or maybe never. Right now there are plenty of solutions available that actually work. The easiest working model to have working well in the next 10 years is continuing to use our hybrid technology but making some minor changes. First and foremost, making them able to be plugged in. If I drive 20 miles a day, I shouldn't need to use any fuel. I should be able to run off of battery only and just recharge at night. We should only use fuel when we NEED it, ie when you are driving distances or can't charge up. The second thing we need to do is change our fuel source. Ethanol is a great choice. Ethanol from corn is a terrible choice. We should be only making ethanol from plants where we have a POSITIVE yeild rather than a negative yeild which is the current situation with corn. Sugar, switch grass, and a number of other plants all work well to do this.
Changing our way of making electricity, ie using nuclear, geothermal, solar, wind, ect and making smart ethanol would easily buy us 50+ years until we can figure out hydrogen or whatever would work best. Hydrogen in theory is great because of the zero emissions and all of that crap, but having zero emissions but burning a ---- ton of coal to make the hydrogen is not a wise choice. There is no reason why this stuff has to be so difficult. There are solutions that work all around the world that could easily work for us. We have so many natural resources at our finger tips and arguably the best human resources available. Talking about powering millions of cars with hydrogen in 10 years is just such a complete joke that it makes my brain hurt.
Changing our way of making electricity, ie using nuclear, geothermal, solar, wind, ect and making smart ethanol would easily buy us 50+ years until we can figure out hydrogen or whatever would work best. Hydrogen in theory is great because of the zero emissions and all of that crap, but having zero emissions but burning a ---- ton of coal to make the hydrogen is not a wise choice. There is no reason why this stuff has to be so difficult. There are solutions that work all around the world that could easily work for us. We have so many natural resources at our finger tips and arguably the best human resources available. Talking about powering millions of cars with hydrogen in 10 years is just such a complete joke that it makes my brain hurt.
07-13-2008, 01:50 AM
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Re: run your car with water
i think the argument is more for long trips. i would be happy with 200miles a charge but think of your electric bill at the end of the month, then agian you could always steal electricity from you neighbor just run a cord to his/her house
