Slo_crx1

FYI Johnny the entire situation in the Middle East was due to the US sticking it's fingers in their affairs after WW2 and into the 60's. If the US at the time didn't like someone in power in a particular country (read Iran and Iraq especially) they would take them out and implement a new leader. Eventually it became a jumbled mess to the point it is today. Who do you think put Saddam Hussein and Iran's leader into power to begin with? Why do you think Osama has such a hatred for the US? On the account of Osama it mostly deals with the fact that when Russia took over Afghanistan the US went over and quickly trained the people (including Osama) to fight back against the Russian army, and then left them hanging. The US didn't want to get their hands dirty or "appear" to interfere so they let the Afghani's do all the dirty work for them. In the 90's G.Bush Sr. had the opportunity to take out Hussein during Desert Storm, but why do you think they left him alone? It doesn't look too good when you put someone into power (especially when he was put there to try and provide and check and balance to the Iranian leader they had previously put into power) and then take him out...the US is not known for dealing well with dirty laundry. Basically the US only wanted to make a point to Hussein then to remember who's bitch he really was. Unfortunately he started getting out of hand again through Clinton's years and then into Bush Jr.'s rule, which is why the US and Iraq is in it's current mess.

The dirt goes further back, make sure to do your homework first before making an attempt to rationalize your arguments. Working for the DoD has it's perks.

Jorsher

Yup slo, I remember reading a really good article online about all that with a lot names/details/dates, I just don't have the link anymore.

"Our freedom" really doesn't have much to do with their anger towards USA.

J-SMITH69

why don't you site some specifics, what leaders did we oust??

in 1953 United Kingdom and the us worked to overthrow the government there and succeded. it was all part of the cold war. why aren't the arabs mad at russia? they meddled just as much or more...

you are the one that needs to do your homework the current government in iran was not installed by the US, the current government in iran overthrew the shah which was installed by the US and United Kingdom. remember the iran hostage crap during the carter years

you need to read a little bit more about saddam and how he came to power, it had very little to do with the US, we just supported him against iran.

get a clue

signorelli21

Here you go: http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB28/#documents

This is called a CIA after action report which was made public by the ny times in 2000, this describes in intimate detail exactly how the CIA (not necessarily the united states since noone knows what they actually do anyway) planned and executed the overthrow of iranian premier Mohammad Mossadeq in 1953.

J-SMITH69

we all know, i already posted this. way to go detective...

and that government was overthrown in i believe 1973... which was the islamic revolution in iran...

michigan_soler

i just found this ron paul movie.

http://quicksilverscreen.com/watch?video=16044

J-SMITH69

i like ron paul a lot, but his blame america first foreign policy is terrible

signorelli21

actually it was 79 but i had to look it up, i didn't read your entire post i thought you were asking for a specific reference that we over threw a government in the past, I'm off my game tonight for some reason.

Anyway it is interesting how Ron Paul is the HMT candidate, I mean he supports (or rather believes that the govenment has no buisness regulating) pretty much everything that this site represents, such as free speech, freedom of expression and the exchange of property without any government oversight.

Plus he doesn't have a bunch of huge companies sponsoring his campaign like the other guys, just a bunch of normal people giving money to a worthy cause.

It should also be noted that the other people Dr Paul would nominate for his cabinet would be highly intelligent and hard working, like he offered the VP to a guy named Doug Casey , google his name and you can see what i mean, wouldn't it be strange to have people running the economy that actually knew ---- about the economy?

Slo_crx1

Why aren't the Arabs mad at the old Soviet Union? Here's why...the Soviet Union (it's largest supplier) and France supplied Iraq's military equipment to them. And in counter, the US and Israel supplied all of Iran's military equipment to them. Iraqi airforce consisted mostly of Mig fighter jets and other various Soviet planes, while the Iranian airforce was comprised of F4 and f5 phantoms, right down to the US made maverick missles (of which the electronics in them are built where I work). Here's a little more history on the war itself... http://www.iranchamber.com/history/i..._iraq_war1.php

Basically all of the US's policies and efforts in the Gulf region has to do with one thing...oil. It was like that under Eisenhower and Nixon, and still is like that under Bush. As for the Iran hostage crap under Carter during election time, that one was a little too convenient for both him and Reagan, with the end result being the US trading arms and "spare parts" for the hostages releases. Here's a cute little read for you going into a little more depth on the US's involvement in the Iran/Iraq controversy over the years...http://www.iranchamber.com/history/a..._iraq_war1.php
http://www.iranchamber.com/history/a...rming_iraq.php
http://www.iranchamber.com/history/a...n_interest.php
It's quite an eye opener for those that think the US kept itself neutral during the entire conflict. After reading through these articles and seeing current events in Iraq right now, it kind of makes you wonder how long it will be before the US starts going after Iran.

Slo_crx1

And unfortunately it's the truth. I'm honestly getting sick of the bullshit that this country pulls, and then tries to deny it to appear innocent. I know there's no country that hasn't done this, but the US is getting worse and worse. I've actually been given an offer to move permanently to Germany...and honestly I might take it. Ein beer bitte!