Rings and bearings...
 

what should i expect to pay for rings and bearings (rod/main) on my z6? I'm trying to work out my motor budget, and I'm not sure what these are going to cost me from honda.

also, do you guys reccomend using OEM rings (on non-OEM pistons) or do you reccomend using something like topseal?

thanks for your help guys.

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i just use napa rings :).. and bearings, for a whole set from honda is 320 dollars if i remember correctly.

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I've used napa rings before with no problems, and have used factory ones several times also without problems. The one time I did have problems I used total seal rings, hah. I would just stick to a stock style ring with a proper end gap you shouldnt have problems. Obviously factory rings are going to be more pricey than the napa/schucks specials. Same with bearings. Me personally on a motor I care about I use factory bearings and always will, for something I'm slapping together (and am on a budget) I use napa/schucks bearings. Most aftermarket bearings are all "green" in the middle of the bunch and are pretty close to the right size ;)

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I'm planning on using OEM bearings, it is the rings I am questioning. I'd like to keep the budget down as much as possible.

is it nessesary for me to take the crank out to hot tank the block? the main bearings are all perfect and there is only 70k on the motor. I am just putting rods and pistons in, but I figured I'd hot tank it while I had it apart. If I could leave the crank in it would cut my bearing cost down by a whole ------- lot. or should I just man up and do it right?

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Yeah ive been wondering all this too... I have a second engine im working with... What exactly is the cost difference and the quality etc difference? Is there really anything wrong with leaving the stock bearings in if they plastigauge good (in spec)if youre just doing pistons and maybe rods? Ive personally seen it done both ways

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bambizzle; you should be goo without the hot-tanking

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Aren't you not supposed to hot tank honda blocks b/c the ---- they use eats up the aluminum?

I'd look into that... I don't know if there's a difference between 'hot tanking' as you refer to it and the chemical baths they sometimes give as well... or if they are one in the same..?

Matt

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You can take the crank out as long as you put all of the bearings back where they were. It's not like if you take them out thier toast.

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call a machine shop. i got my set for less then a hundred. mains and rods even came with the thrust washers. rings were like $29 much cheaper then NAPA or checker







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by hot tank I mean detergent bath, not solvent tank.

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I never tank any of my blocks, Mainly because they really dont come out that clean. That "aluminum safe" cleaner most machine shops uses is pretty weak. What I do to clean all my blocks is, strip it all the way down, go buy some Castrol super clean and just spray that ---- all over the block, all the passages every crevise etc etc, let it sit for a bit and I use the steam cleaner at work to blow it all off. I swear to god you can practically eat off these things when I'm done with it.

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i gave up on cleaning anything on cars after road salt attacked my pretty new motor last winter :-\

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Big deal, just undercoat your block black.. That ---- holds the heat good 8)

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I've got some TopLine rings for the d-series for sale. Stock bore/brand new. Came with my rebuild kit and used total rings instead. Make offer.

-Joe

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so do you guys think its possible to swap rods while the motor is still in the car. like take the pan off, head off and just undo the rods bolts and slide em out throught the top, then just put the new rods in with the pistons and put it all back together?

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yep,... but why would you change rods? if one broke it probably fucked some ---- up!

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We've done that many many many times on my buddy's SHO. He has 3 donor motors and we're running out of pistons we've melted soo many

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Yup incar rebuilds are really easy on hondas. Just dont wait until its to late, because if a rod breaks in single cam its complete destruction. I had a rod go through the main girdle, through the pan, and all the way into my downpipe, the other chunks went through the front of the block. ;)

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im not gonna wait till a rod breaks. im either gonna get a set of rods that doesnt require notching so i can jsut drop the pan, remove head and wam bam im done. or im gonna buy a set of ls rods and give machine shop my extra block and crank and machine them so they fit. i just dont want to have to take the motor completely out again. cool that makes me happy :P