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mopar318 05-21-2008 09:22 PM

Picked up another turbo dodge.
 
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Well I picked up this 89 dodge daytona on saturday. It was pretty slow as expected on the factory 6 lbs or so. The car has a warlbro 255 so i turned up boost to about 12psi. Kept blowing off I/C tubes. Fixed those and drove all day yesterday. Goes pretty damn good on 12psi, but the cheapo ebay boost controller crapped out on me today, I was getting inconsistent boost, and eventually spiked 20lbs to fuel cut. I pulled over, and threw it across the parking lot. :1

Im going to be redoing all of the charge piping, and well as added a nicer intercooler. Also going to build a 3" exhaust from the 2.5 swing valve, and dump it behind the door. Back to stock boost for now until my turbonetics MBC comes in. :8

Heres a few pictures of the car. Need to lower the front, I think the previous owner installed the front perches wrong, Also may get a set neon approved gods wheels. (srt4)

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And heres a little stupid vid, just crusin through town.

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And heres some hot chicks.

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d-man 05-21-2008 09:30 PM

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I'm not a big turbo dodge fan but it looks like fun.

kain 05-21-2008 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by mopar318
Well I picked up this 89 dodge daytona on saturday. It was pretty slow as expected on the factory 6 lbs or so. The car has a warlbro 255 so i turned up boost to about 12psi.

ah, so you dont plan on keeping the engine?

grab a rope.

mopar318 05-21-2008 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by kain
ah, so you dont plan on keeping the engine?

grab a rope.

These engines are pretty stout. Hell Ive ran 12psi non intercooled on my truck and it has a cast crank.

kain 05-21-2008 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by mopar318
These engines are pretty stout. Hell Ive ran 12psi non intercooled on my truck and it has a cast crank.

your not runing any management all the while your doubling the boost. your not making any more power man. your just wasting gas and making noise and heat.

kain 05-21-2008 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by mopar318
These engines are pretty stout. Hell Ive ran 12psi non intercooled on my truck and it has a cast crank.

depending on your setup, if you run a carb, you dont need an intercooler.

mopar318 05-21-2008 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by kain
your not runing any management all the while your doubling the boost. your not making any more power man. your just wasting gas and making noise and heat.

Wow, your ------- stupid. The factory map sensor can read 14.7 psi. The factory computer will manage that with no problem. Theres a deffinate difference between 6psi, and 12psi.

mopar318 05-21-2008 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by kain
depending on your setup, if you run a carb, you dont need an intercooler.

On my truck I was running a centrifugal supercharger with no intercooler. It is MPI, not carberated.

stillnoturbo 05-21-2008 09:54 PM

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I don't care if that thing is boosting 50 psi and had a million horsepower. All of those Gaytona's, Lebarons and Lasers are all ugly as sin and ------- homorific.

MustangC. 05-21-2008 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by kain
depending on your setup, if you run a carb, you dont need an intercooler.

youre retarded. explain to me how its ok to have super hot IAT's with a carb and not fuel injection.

mopar318 05-21-2008 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by CoreyR
youre retarded. explain to me how its ok to have super hot IAT's with a carb and not fuel injection.

You cant explain that. Because there no reasonable explaination.

mopar318 05-21-2008 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by stillnoturbo
I don't care if that thing is boosting 50 psi and had a million horsepower. All of those Gaytona's, Lebarons and Lasers are all ugly as sin and ------- homorific.

Yeah, so what? Its nice to have something different you know? Im kinda into the body style, I like it, so thats all the matters.

kain 05-21-2008 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by mopar318
You cant explain that. Because there no reasonable explaination.

Typically, a correct air/fuel ratio will create about a 45F temp drop when fuel vaporizes in the carburetor. this temperature drop, with a cold, damp day will usually cause the throttle to freeze wide open under boost.

Jorsher 05-21-2008 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by mopar318
Yeah, so what? Its nice to have something different you know? Im kinda into the body style, I like it, so thats all the matters.

Just ignore the haters.

I'm not a fan of those but I don't see anything wrong with them. If you can make it fast, good job.

mopar318 05-22-2008 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by kain
Typically, a correct air/fuel ratio will create about a 45F temp drop when fuel vaporizes in the carburetor. this temperature drop, with a cold, damp day will usually cause the throttle to freeze wide open under boost.

Well that theory could be correct. But you typically measure IAT in the manifold. So you would still not want a hot IAT. I have never heard of carburetor running boost have the throttle freeze open. Ive seen carberated cars running Ice box air-water intercooler with meth do just fine. The cooler the better. ;D

kain 05-22-2008 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by mopar318
Well that theory could be correct. But you typically measure IAT in the manifold. So you would still not want a hot IAT. I have never heard of carburetor running boost have the throttle freeze open. Ive seen carberated cars running Ice box air-water intercooler with meth do just fine. The cooler the better. ;D

um... it is the carb that will start to ice under boost.

Jorsher 05-22-2008 12:28 AM

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I'm pretty sure something will need to be around freezing temperature for it to freeze.

I don't see heat dissipating that much. If it's 60 degrees outside, your fuel temp isn't going to get under 60 degrees. I'm also sure the air going through the carb will be warm enough to keep it from freezing.

Freezing should only be a problem in cold cold temperatures, when you're getting very little airflow...like at idle.

Then again, I've never owned a carb'd car.

IndianRide 05-22-2008 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by kain
ah, so you dont plan on keeping the engine?

grab a rope.

your retarded, you can run up to 15 psi on a stock tune with a turbo dodge, thats where the factory fuel cut is, all you have to do is throw in a different map or a bleed and rock 20psi all day long on pump gas with no problems

I miss my turbo dodges I want another one, I love them I like how people like to hate on them cause they are kind of ugly but fact of the matter is I can throw less than $500 at one and blow the doors off your civic with a basic hmt setup

kain 05-22-2008 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Jorsher
I'm pretty sure something will need to be around freezing temperature for it to freeze.

I don't see heat dissipating that much. If it's 60 degrees outside, your fuel temp isn't going to get under 60 degrees. I'm also sure the air going through the carb will be warm enough to keep it from freezing.

Freezing should only be a problem in cold cold temperatures, when you're getting very little airflow...like at idle.

Then again, I've never owned a carb'd car.

this is only for a blow through setup. allot of rx7 guys do it to their first gens and run serious boost.

mopar318 05-22-2008 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by kain
this is only for a blow through setup. allot of rx7 guys do it to their first gens and run serious boost.

Post a picture of a frosty carb, with no intercooler. O0

Jorsher 05-22-2008 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by kain
this is only for a blow through setup. allot of rx7 guys do it to their first gens and run serious boost.

What's causing the temperature to drop?

The fuel, carb, and air will be at ambient temperature or higher, so where is this freezing temperature coming from? I'm not saying it's not possible, I'm just asking how it is possible.

EG-prince 05-22-2008 12:59 AM

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He is saying that it is happening from the gas becoming atomized, but I think he is thinking that it is experiencing a phase change (from liquid to gas) and thus absorbing more energy (in the form of heat loss) but I'm pretty sure when fuel is atomized its just being broken into very tiny little bits of liquid, not actually becoming vapor/gas, and there is therefore no phase change, and is therefore very unlikely to experience icing in a carb. Just my 2 cents though.

mopar318 05-22-2008 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Jorsher
What's causing the temperature to drop?

The fuel, carb, and air will be at ambient temperature or higher, so where is this freezing temperature coming from? I'm not saying it's not possible, I'm just asking how it is possible.

Thats what Im saying. Under pressure the air temps will be rising. So the more boost, then the hotter its going to be not cooler. It should be more likely to freeze with out any boost.

kain 05-22-2008 01:11 AM

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taken directly from wikipedia and is even mention in corky bells book.


In cars, carb icing can occasionally be a nuisance but is not usually a huge problem, as the inlet manifold and parts of the carburetor often have warm water from the cooling system or exhaust circulating through them. Motorcycles can also suffer from carb icing, although some engine designs are more prone to it than others. Air-cooled engines may be more prone to icing, though it is mostly in aircraft that the phenomenon is a significant problem.

Carb icing occurs when there is humid air, and the temperature drop in the venturi causes the water vapour to freeze. The ice will form on the surfaces of the carburetor throat, further restricting it. This may increase the venturi effect initially, but eventually restricts airflow, perhaps even causing a complete blockage of the carburetor. Icing may also cause jamming of the mechanical parts of the carburetor, such as the throttle butterfly valve.

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Jorsher 05-22-2008 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by EGgyLShatch
He is saying that it is happening from the gas becoming atomized, but I think he is thinking that it is experiencing a phase change (from liquid to gas) and thus absorbing more energy (in the form of heat loss) but I'm pretty sure when fuel is atomized its just being broken into very tiny little bits of liquid, not actually becoming vapor/gas, and there is therefore no phase change, and is therefore very unlikely to experience icing in a carb. Just my 2 cents though.

Well, atomization is what occurs, so the heat loss wouldn't be because of phase changing.

The temps between the fuel/air will just balance out. Of course it would take a bit of math to figure out what temps they would end up, but it doesn't matter because the temperature wouldn't be reducing to freezing temperatures.

Smith-02 05-22-2008 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by kain
um... it is the carb that will start to ice under boost.

on below 60 days my weber would be frosted on the outside. it's truth.

Jorsher 05-22-2008 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by kain
taken directly from wikipedia and is even mention in corky bells book.

Thanks, that's what I was looking for.

RotaryGeek 05-22-2008 02:02 AM

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i have never heard of it, but coming from kain i would almost believe it without proof. He has never bullshitted me on anything.

kain 05-22-2008 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by c0mpl3x
on below 60 days my weber would be frosted on the outside. it's truth.

usually this happens because some webers dont pass coolant through them to warm em up.

boostedhfrex 05-22-2008 09:57 AM

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nice car, theres not many o them left in MD


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