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Well I'm looking into getting me a cheap little welder. Well needless to say I am a complete newb to welders, and for all you welder doers out there, help me out and let me know what you think about these welders.

So you knowledgable peoples help me out and answer these questions for me for each welder.

1. Do you think the welds will be able to withstand the heat of an exhaust manifold?
2. What about a Downpipe?
3. An exhaust at least?

And here goes links to the welders.

Welder 1. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...822058110&rd=1

welder 2. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...822883073&rd=1

welder 3. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...822285266&rd=1

So lemme know fellers.

Thanks,
-Murdoc

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oh and if you could rate each welder from your top pick to worst that would be great.

Thanks.

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I like the first one because that dude looks like a fucked up version of Kramer therefore it's a better product.

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hahaha... true, but can kramer's welder withstand the heat of an exhaust manifold?

I know ya'll have experiences with arc welders, I think jeff's used one before but I don't remeber what kind and what for. Come on peeps, I wanna buy a cheap welder so I could be cool and weld too ::)

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Ok, first off. If you have a 220v outlet around, that would be nice to push one of those things to the max amps. If you are welding an exhaust manifold together, you will need a nice 100 amps. I really don't see much of a difference in the 3, all in what you want. To me they are within the same class and will perform about the same.

By saying that, I mean you will only be able to do an exhaust manifold. These things don't look efficient enough to be able to handle small jobs like exhaust pipe. You will burn right thru any exhaust work you do. Not to mention the welds are going to look sloppy and I doubt you will get that full *sealing* effect.

ARC welders are great for doing big jobs that don't require precion work, I used many of them when I was welding fences and cattle gaurds. You are going to warp the ---- out of any small thin metals you are working with, like 18ga exhaust pipes. If you really really wanted to make them work on exhaust pipe then you would have to preheat the pipe with a torch (or oven), then only weld a very small section at a time.. let it cool down and proceed again - not worth it.

Save up some more money and buy either a MIG or maybe even a cheap wire feed welder to do the exhaust pipes. You could even mock up and tack your custom manifold and take it to an exhaust shop for finalized welding with a smaller wirefeed welder. IMO the better choice for your lower budget range. The ARC welder does have an overall more general appeal, but not for someone who is basicly doing small things on his car.. like say light body work.

How many exhausts shops do you see that are running ARC welders doing mufflers and ----? None. Most any exhaust shop has a 130-200 amp shielding gas fed MIG. Do it right the first time man, you will only be spending more money on a different welder in the end. I'm actually going to move up and buy a bigger welder, my 100amp MIG is too small for the "farm work" that I need it for, but has worked fine for exhaust systems. My dad's company is going to pay $100 more then what I purchased it for and I'm going to throw down on a nicer model.. possibly a lincoln or I would like to buy myself another Millermatic.

let me know if you have other questions

PS - don't forget about all the additional expenses. Gloves, welding mask (auto-dark is a must), cylinder of shielding gas.. it all adds up.

-ryan

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thanks quad. I kinda figured that all three welders were pretty much equal in performance, i just wanted to ask anyways.

Well I saw the hundred dollar price tag and I'm willing to pay that for a welder. I'm basically looking to get a welder for mainly downpipes, and possibly manifolds. And burning a hole through a downpipe isn't gonna be fun. :-\

Boo for these arc welders I guess, but didn't jeff use one for I think turbohf's exhaust? Well jeff can either confirm or deny this.


Well hey quad, you think this welder will work for some custom manifold and exhaust jobs?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...822245347&rd=1

Think one looks interesting but would the amps be a problem for manifolds and dps?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...823102234&rd=1

What about this one?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...category=63700

Thanks for your help quad, you da man! ;D Sorry if I keep looking at cheap ----, but that's what I gotta look at cause that's what I could somewhat afford :P

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Ok.. on to the next set.

Fist off, they say MIG in the title to get your attention, these ARE NOT MIG WELDERS. They are wire feed welders. None of them have gas hookups, they can't even be rigged (well they can, but not supposed to). MIG is Metal Inert Gas welding. It uses a shielding gas to create a 0 oxygen atmosphere around the weld area so oxidation doesn't set in and also makes for cooler welds - cooler welds meaning less warping on thin metals like exhaust pipes.

Yes, a wirecore welder will do the trick for you for a cheap solution.. no, you won't be satisfied in the end and want a mig. I think streetkings got a Campbell Huesfed MIG at wal mart for $250.. you might consider the buy a welder, get the job done and take it back route. You could easily get the project done in 1 weekend if you have your ---- laid out. You will have to rent/buy a cylinder of shielding gas, even 100% co2 would work for a cheap solution.

If you still want to proceed in getting an ebay deal, scratch the lincoln.. that costs too much for what you are getting. The other two or feasable and should end up with a bid around $100. The only thin I would be concerned with is that these things lack efficiency, meaning that they can't select down to a smaller load size for thin ----. If something had a low of 40amps and a high of 80amps, that would benefit you more in the long run, especially for a non shielded welder.

One of these MIGHT work in your situation, I would need some input by someone else to say for sure, I forget all the amps settings on my welder, I'll be back with it over the weekend and I can plug in some flux core wire and go gasless to see how it would work. I'm thinking that 60amps might do the trick for you if you preheat the welding area and don't throw too much heat on something all at once.

Remember, it's not going to be about burning thru with a less powerful machine, it's going to be about warping. If you are running a mig and crank up the voltage, the shielding gas will prevent the warping, but the over amps will burn thru. Basicly you want to get the juice as high as you can without burning thru.

Another solution if you did go with the 60amp (low amp) and maybe go with slightly thicker pipes to compensate for not having an efficient machine.. say 16 gauge minimum. Just a thought to try and get you where you are going.

Do a search for wire feed welders and find the cheapest one, watch the market to see what they have been running for, ebay offers a past auction search for up to one month in the advanced search section so that will give u a good idea of pricing.

I'll help you in picking it out if I can get back to my machine to play around. It would be nice if you could afford a cheap auto-dark lense, it makes life so much easier.. they normally sell for $40 on up (no you can't afford the pimp setup that I have :P).

If a global mod wants to throw this in my forum, it might be easier to keep it on top versus fighting all the traffic in general discussion.

let me know.

-ryan

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Yeah, i gotta MIG welder at walmart for $250 and stole a bottle of co2 from my parent's resturant. Works pretty well, that wire feed ---- licks balls though. I didn't make an exhaust manifold, but I did my catback exhaust, straightpipe, downpipe, and welded my neighbors patio set together, and it works pretty well. Gas is the only way to go!

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buy mine ;D

https://www.homemadeturbo.com/forum/...threadid=22883

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yo... why is it that everyone ends a sentence with "yo" nowadays, Is it some fresh fad going around.






yo
:P

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there is 16 gauge exhaust piping out there. I say grab one, it'll look nasty but it'll work, I doubt you could do charge pipes.

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----, I've been talking that way since like early 1990s. You do know I'm black, right? y0!



Oh, and if it was a fad, you would have seen it on H-T first and not here yo

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Oh, and a stolen co2 bottle does work. That's how I got my 40cf argon bottle. What I did was swipe a couple co2 bottles that had the pepsi logo on them and ---- and figure I could have a need for them in the future. I thought I would run a 100% co2 to weld mild steel, but the pepsi logos had to go.

So I took the dremel and ground that part of the tank down, filled in the flat spot with bondo, painted the bitche flat black. Took them to the welding supply shop and was like "yo can i get this motha fucka filled"

Instead of filling it, they told me i should be running an argon bottle and so they gave me a $100 deposit for my co2 bottle, charged me $20 to re hydrocheck the co2 bottle. Another $20 to get my argon bottle filled with 75argon/25co2 and then I had to buy a few gallons of liquid nitrogen from them fro $20. So all in all, I haven't been back.. scammed them for a bottle that will most likely fail hydrocheck and if they sand down the bondo the will find the pepsi logo.

so you can get creative, take a pair of chain cutters and go behind a restraunt and steal a 20 pound bottle of co2. Steal two while you are at it since they are great for making a kegorator.

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thanks quad, you've been extremely helpful and it is much appreciated :-*

I'm gonna be reading this thread a few more times as i contemplate on what welder to get.

But I do have another question for you. You stated earlier that With that in mind would this welder be ideal? Since it's got an amp output of 35-88? And it's only $215 shipped :P

Then again I'm starting to really think about the mig/gas welders. I just didn't want to jump into it right away, and seeing doc boost's electric welder do the downpipe job at one of the installs I figured it'll be a okay.

And sohccrxsi, I would buy your welder, but it's just too much for me right now :-\ Unless you wanna trade for an r/c car. :P I might be checking out walmart pretty soon.


-Murdoc

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If you are spending in the $200 range then you better just go buy a MIG. I got my 110v craftsman professional MIG for like $230ish shipped (I searched ebay for a while looking for that kinda deal). Welder I got had barely any hours on it, but the prior owner did lose the spool spring ($3 at hardware store). Like what street_queens said, $250 wal mart special, take it back if you don't like it. The MIG welders can always have the polarity reversed to run flux core, so you can have all the benefits of that $100-150 wire feed welder now, but a much better operating range. If you like, you can always upgrade to shielding gas in the future (when u can afford it).

There is also the little lincoln weldpak outfits that are wire feed with the option of MIG (like $100 kit to add-on shielding gas support). They are pricey for what you get, but this all depends on the deal you find. Nothing wrong with a used but not abused machine, if you can afford to spend $200-250 then just go with the MIG, you'll be happy you did in the end.

Most ideal setup for a MIG would be the Millermatic 135 or the 175 (220v). I used to have a Millermatic and it was the bomb. I'm either going to get another one or hook up with a lincoln since I'm upgrading my ---- soon :)

Let me know what u find.

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thanks again quad, I think I'll be heading out to walmart and scopin' out their inventory. Sears also got some nice welders, but they be 100 dollas moe!


oh and jeff, we just koo like that yo!

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see what you can find used. go around to local pawn shops and check out their inventory.. you can always haggle the price down with them.

look around ebay, let me know if you need some more direction.

not all wal marts carry mig welders, so just check around.

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I think if we had a welding-fabrication section, I would be the moderator of it :P

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Im not sure i follow, run a positive ground with gas and a negitive ground with flux core?

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Actually that is with certain welders.. best to read the instruction manual and figure that one out.

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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This would be nice!!!
I'm lookin for one at the moment

So a craftsman 110v MIG is what i want to do an exhaust?
Low setting around 40?

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This one look nice

has a low setting of 30 and not to pricey :)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...sPageName=WDVW

any good???

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Just put out for a good one.I just bought a Miller not too long ago and Im still making love to it every night ;)

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How much do they run??
Full- time student working weekends

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I ended up getting this. Nice little thing, but I still need to invest some more $$$$$$$$$ in order to use it :'(

Quad, look like it's any good?

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murdoc, for some reason i just cant picture your ass welding. ;) much luv though beattttcch!

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Looks like an interesting toy, and the price is good in comparison to what it is new but it's not something for a beginner IMO.

For $325 shipped you could have gotten a 110v MIG capable of doing 1/4inch gas ready that is easy to work with. That thing looks like it will nickel and dime you to death in additional parts needed and I'm unsure about what it wants for a power supply. I think you should have gone with something a little bit more traditional - no offense to the seller, but I don't think it would be a good thing in your application Murdoc. Now on the other hand, I actually have that kind of batter combo laying around in deep cycle batteries as where I could use something like that. Granted my ideal combo would be a light weight mig and a nice even duty TIG.

Goodluck with the setup and let us know how it all works for you.

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What about this craftsman quadnie??
Only got 7 hours left :-\

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...sPageName=WDVW

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I know huh, I don't know how I even came up with the crazy idea. My hands are gonna get dirty :-\, i need some gloves.
:P

You're right, with the way it is now I have to spend a good amount just to be able to use it. There is an adapter cable that I would need to get in order to be able to use it off a battery, i think. And then I still have to buy a mask. So I guess I won't be welding with this any time soon. :-\ And having no instructions doesn't help, downloaded an online set, but having the original would make me feel more comfortable.

By the way, I traded my r/c car for it. If I was to fork out 325, I woulda gotten a different one. I wanna buy another one, but I just ain't got the money. I was gonna try welding with it anyways, but I think I value my eye sight more than welding some pipe. ;)

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----, i forgot all about the directions. i'll try and get them in the mail tomorrow. you know that you can weld right off your car battery, right?

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gotta love the $20 lab fee for welding class in high school 8) haha i feel like i'm ripping somebody off