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Old 03-29-2004, 06:21 PM
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good stuff people..

HERE'S THE REAL ANSWER--


THE TRUTH IS WITHIN.

everyone takes in things, events, etc. differently because we are all, well, different.

i.e. Eminem's lyrics might strike something hard in some people because of their past, beliefs, etc. while it may be the complete opposite with others for the same reason(s).

(I dont wanna sound like a Matrix character) So, in conclusion, it all depends how you take it. Does it matter what people think if something you believe in deeply is criticised? no!

for example, if Nigel thinks he is a super-duper-uber-manly-god person and hotrex says "H-e-l-l ------- NO-O-O! He's the mother of all gays!!". That dont matter to Nigel, because in his mind, he is what he thinks he is. Unless Hotrex manages to change Nigel's opinion of himself.

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Old 03-29-2004, 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by tukinnam
he is what he thinks he is.
"Cuz I am, whatever you say I am......" :P
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Old 03-29-2004, 06:26 PM
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eminem dont give a ---- about anyone that judge him so why should he care? he doesnt do things to please people he talks about whats on his mind. if you dont like what he say dont listen to him. As far as messing youths mind that all really comes down to what the parents teaches there childrens dont blame the media
Everyone is accountable for how they use their own sphere of influence and so obviously the parents are the most responsible and accountable, but Eminem's influence extends far beyond a handful of people and I just think that he is a poor steward of his accountability. I would like to think that if I affected the lives of millions of people that I could use my influence a little bit better than to breed hate.
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eminem dont give a ---- about anyone that judge him so why should he care? he doesnt do things to please people he talks about whats on his mind. if you dont like what he say dont listen to him. As far as messing youths mind that all really comes down to what the parents teaches there childrens dont blame the media
Everyone is accountable for how they use their own sphere of influence and so obviously the parents are the most responsible and accountable, but Eminem's influence extends far beyond a handful of people and I just think that he is a poor steward of his accountability. I would like to think that if I affected the lives of millions of people that I could use my influence a little bit better than to breed hate.
I think you should listen to the song "Stan". He clearly says that if you take his words seriously, you are an idiot.
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Old 03-29-2004, 06:35 PM
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So if I give you a disclaimer that I'm going to steal your car before I do it am I justified in my actions?

Maybe those who take it seriously are idiots, but that doesn't justify him.
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Old 03-29-2004, 06:36 PM
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How is that the same? He didn't steal anything. He didn't force anybody to do anything. He commited no crimes. How is that the same as stealing a car?

If we are going to try to say his words are bad and his influence is wrong, then let's take a look at some other lyrics to compare:

Rage against the machine

"How I could just kill a man"
"Bullet in your head"


ICP(Insane clown posse"
"All I want to do is set the world on fire"
"---- the world"
"Suck my dick"

Beastie boys
"Sabatoge"
"Brass monkey"
"Paul Revere"

Spliknot
"People equal ----"
"ash sjaij sajs asaj sai ija siaa aa"
"Kill your mother, eat your father"

The list goes on and on and on.........

You can't just single one guy out for the same damn thing every other musician does on a daily basis.
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Old 03-29-2004, 06:38 PM
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But name one thing that is so ------- deep and profound about talking about killing your wife? Or about how the "------s gonna get shot" because he crossed my turf.
its ***** not ------s chacko

So if I give you a disclaimer that I'm going to steal your car before I do it am I justified in my actions?
that has nothing to do what were talking about
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Old 03-29-2004, 06:57 PM
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So if I give you a disclaimer that I'm going to steal your car before I do it am I justified in my actions?
that has nothing to do what were talking about
Sure it does, read above my post.

I never claimed that Eminem is the only one out there with degenerate lyrics, but I do think there is a better way to excercise your influence than the way he does.

We could argue this to death, and you can think that I single Eminem out (this is not the case, trust me), but that's how I feel about him, and there are many who disagree.

Nothing lost, nothing gained.
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Originally Posted by racerex

I never claimed that Eminem is the only one out there with degenerate lyrics, but I do think there is a better way to excercise your influence than the way he does.
Well, the bottom line is it's entertainment and it wasn't meant to be reproduced. His lyrics sell. If he was rapping about helping old people across the street or feeding the hungry do you think he would have been as successful?

Just like how sex and naked women are advertised every where. Sex sells and the public eats it up. Whatever floats your boat.
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Gotta throw my 2 cents up in the air lol. I use to like eminem alot, back when he rapped about funny ---- like fat bitchs and mushrooms, now it seems like he just raps about people hating him and about him being famous, he is a smart ****** ****** no madder what anyone says. And it takes alot of gut for him to do what he did and come up and be a rapper after what happened to vanilla ice lol and prevoius white rappers, The man is smart no madder what anyone says and he does have a good musical talent of putting words togeather that you whould think whouldnt go togeather. But whatever
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