OBX copying Forced Performance turbos now? WTF?
 

I happened to come across this cruising around ebay yesterday...OBX has copied the Forced Performance Green turbos for Evo's and WRX's...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/OBX-T...mZ130252676467
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/OBX-G...mZ370084703323

How the hell did they pull that one off? I haven't even seen any regular ching chong copies of those models yet, so it makes me wonder how they were able to copy them since OBX is also chinese crap? I'm also kind of surprised FP hasn't tried suing them either. Kind of shitty though, it's a shame they're chinese copies...if they were half way decent I'd give the Evo one a shot since it's around $1000 cheaper than FP's. Basically FP takes the stock turbo's and stick a 50 trim wheel setup in it, so it baffles me even more how OBX could even do the R&D required to make these.

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lol at the weld on the actuator pivot on the tdo4
http://tunatom.com/pics/AAA65-b.jpg

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er, what is green spec?

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it converts there evo into an e85 powered vehicle. Really cool stuff. More eco friendly ya dig ::)

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Lol nice.
The "Green" spec is basically the equivalent of a 30r in a stock large turbo's housing. The Evo Green I believe has a rating of 47lb/min right now, and the newest Evo Red has around a 57lb/min rating. These setups also keep the stock spool up characteristics, that's why alot of Evo and suby owners with money to burn buy these from FP. Price tag's usually around $1789 for the real deal ones that just bolt on. I sent OBX an email to see if I can test one and see if it really is as "good" as they claim. What's the worst that could happen...puking oil or wheels flying off? No sweat, just as long as it's not my money. :D

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LOL you can be their R&D dept.

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jb welded logo onto chinese turbo. bam done

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I'd do it as long as I didn't have to pay for the crap lol.
That's what I figured too, except there are no other companies that offer this turbo except for the real manufacturer, and they don't even "make" the turbos. The just do the machining and assembly necessary to stick garrett parts into a stock evo 9 turbo/tdo4l housing

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i would not buy and obx intake manifold let alone a 700 dollar turbo. i guarantee my junkyard nissan diesel turbo will hold up longer than that

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Ha...I'd never buy it either, I'd rather pony up for the real deal even if it is a $1000 more. Now if they gave it to me for testing, that's a different story.

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I tuned a real laid back Asian kid's SOHC hatch with one of the OBX turbos on it. Regular Garrett clone, not the FP clones. It ran alright, but there was a bit of thrust slop in the turbo and it was low miles.

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mmmm thrust slop

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I used a OBX turbo once it worked great.I sold it and the guy put 40 thousand kms on it no problems :l I have never actually heard of any failing.

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Honestly I've never heard of a single one failing either, usually everyone classes it in with the standard ebay chinese line. I'm still pretty damn sure they're all chinese made, but maybe they try to get the higher quality pieces? I don't know, and I wouldn't take that risk until I knew for sure from testing and R&D that they were solid.

Thrust slop....yeahhh, stuff like that makes me not like OBX. :P

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actually, you would be surprised what just asking will do. i asked my supplier about R&Ding some ---- and i have a turbo kit for my M3 on its way to me. they say it doesnt fit right and they want me to make it fit right then send it back to them. part of my payment for doing it is a free turbo kit after they make the changes in the factory. i plan to do a write-up on the whole thing and when i get my kit to actually run on the car i will give solid info on what i think of the turbo itself. i have a feeling i will be making my own manifold for my own personal car rather than using their manifold, but i will use theirs to do what they want.

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Most american and japanese turbos are made in China. :l

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This is true...just look at Greddy. Their turbo's and different pieces are made in china, even Apexi's coil-overs are made by a company in china and are the same CO's sold by megan racing for the evo 8's with a price tag that's less than half.

I honestly wouldn't mind doing the R&D work on it, even though it does bolt onto the stock manifold. Just to see if it really performs and give my feedback on it and datalogs might help, especially if it really does turn out to be a decent turbo after all. I know there would be thousands of Evo guys scarfing these up if they did turn out to be good, so that in itself might be a boost for me.

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What would you run it on? An Evo?

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Yeah, I have an '03 Evo 8. I have all the other upgrades in place (cams, injectors, fuel pump, monster fmic and all hard piping, exhaust, tuning...everything) and just to swap turbos over would take me about 2 hours and time to datalog and play with the tune.

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Just out of curiosity, what engine managment are you running?

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I run EcuFlash on the oem ecu. It's honestly the best way to tune stock ecu Evo's/WRX's/Sti's. On evo's people have run it on setups making well over 550awhp on the stock maf, and now there are patch codes being tested (they work, but not fully tested yet) that allow removal of the stock maf and swap over to the evo 8 jdm 3bar map sensor. Think of it like Crome, but on crack. Look for my thread on it in the engine management section to get a brief overview.

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How much do stock wrx ecu's go for? I might go that route instead of MS if I do a Subaru swap.

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I honestly don't know an exact number, it tends to fluctuate depending on model year. Keep in mind that EcuFlash will only do MY02+, so if you do a subie swap you'll probably need every piece of harness (inside and engine bay) to get the ecu to work properly. On the plus side, you can disable all the cel codes. ;) Check out my EcuFlash thread on here for info on the subie setups.