buk9tp

im confused

gas right now is a whole dollar more expensive theen what it was a month ago thats a dollar a gallon more..

i.e. even if the government completly eliminated gas tax to make it 50 cents cheaper the price is still high..

when ---- like war in iraq or israeli lebanon war happends the gas companies up the prices.. with no real rational reasoning because the iraq war/lebanon bs doesnt really effect gas prices

when ---- like the alaskan pipeline happends dont u think they over compensate in the way they jack up prices?

they claim theyre doing it to stay alive yet look at the record profits posted in post katrina.. damn..

pac_crx

I see what you are getting at Buk, but my question is simple.

Why would you support a cease fire? If you dont care about israel is it that you love lebanon?

Let the arab world destroy Israel if they can, whats the hold up?

Clearly if Israel fights this fight, and crushes hezbollah, and Lebanon for their insolence, and Syria has to get involved, then we will see what happens. My point is, even if nothing comes of this thing why would you care one way or the other, you appear to have a vested interest in making sure that Isreal is demonized in this thing... The point of this thread is to say, "you know what, let em fight, and let someone finally win the damn thing." If they blow israel off the map, and destroy all the holy relics or whatever, Im sure all the Jewish people will just make Alabama the new Jewish holy land...

buk9tp

i havent demonized israel

im just pointing out the fact that the war they are fighting is a war they cant win..

you support the ceasefire simply due to the fact that what israel is doing now is not working.. the more civilians they kill the more enraged the people will become the more fuel the extremist fire will be added.. WHAT THEY ARE DOING NOW SIMPLY ISNT GOING TO WORK... the same way it didnt work in vietnam the same way it didnt work in afganistan the same way it didnt work in iraq and for ***** sake im not pointing out iraq and afganistan just to throw it in ur face im just saying fighting terrorist will never work its been what 5 years now? and afganistan is still a hotspot..

israel isnt gonna crush hizballah.. an syria and iran arent gonna get involved unless israel does something retarded like decide to hit syria or iran.. no one wants the jews out of israel they just want em to go back to the borders of 67.. and if they want to cut out a 18 mile buffer zone they can do that on THERE side of the border.. and they cant have a ------- "come near the border and ull get peppered with bullets" thats what caused the most recent flare up between palestine and israel and what not and the reason hizballah snuck under the border and kidknapped the soldiers is because israel made a huge push into gaza so you cant say it was unprevoked

lebanon needs to admit it cant control the south.. maybe disown it.. ittl **** off a hell of alot of people but too ------- bad.. this war is just starting.. israel just assigned a hard core general and in the next few weeks ull see alot more civilian deaths.. alot mire israeli soldiers dying and alot more hizballah soldiers dying..

this really is the cluster ---- that keeps on -------.

J-SMITH69

who cares let them fight, israel will win.

tahts good logic, we're going to attack you 20 miles into your border, nah nah so why don't you just stay 20 miles away from it. thats retarded

pac_crx

I think you have a minority opinion buk.

Personally, I think that Israel cannot help but win. I mean air superiority alone will crush whatever ground force shows up to fight if it comes down to it. I agree that Syria, and Iran will not get involved unless provoked immediately by Israel.

So, whats the difference, Let em fight, and let someone win. Thats the whole point of this post (even though I can see your point if you dont feel that Israel has superior fire power this post is based on a story where one side is stronger than another, however the bottom line is Let SOMEONE win), and your references to Vietnam, and Iraq are not quite valid. I would lend credibility to the Iraq war before the vietnam war as the Iraq war was against an enemy who was elusive in a place we are not great at fighting. BUT the bottom line for Vietnam is that we were severely out classed, we are not jungle fighters, and all the manpower/guns were not going to stop the fact that the VietCong were digging tunnels, and raping us in the Jungle. I would bet bollocks to bone darts that Israel IS a desert/mountain terrain organization capable of pwning the ---- out of the entire Lebanese/Hezbollah defense...

It interesting if your whole position is simply that they cannot win. If they cannot win, then LET THEM LOSE, I see your point that this thread was started on the premise that ONE person/country is tougher than the other. However if your opinion is simply that Israel is NOT tougher than why wouldnt you be all for letting them lose, and lose the borders, and finally once and for all let the Arabs be RIGHT, and Israel will give up whatever they have to give up because they LOST...

I may be another jaded/Stupid american, but the civillian losses are second to principle in this issue. Let them fight, and get it over with. SOMEONE has to lose...

buk9tp

you dont get it.. i didnt say israel is weak. im saying this is a war they cant win.. what the ---- are they gonna do kill everyone? no firepower is enough to take em out either how many tons of bombs were dropped on vietnam? or afganistan? or iraq.. and still ground troops went in and got there asses handed to them.. the more civilians israel kills the more fuel to the fire..

same thing in lebanon

theyve dug tunnles under the ------- border dude they got tunnles and caves everywhere.. lebanon is like all uphils and downhills israelis bomb the ---- out of an area see no life move in and get there asses handed to em..

my refrences to iraq vietnam and afganistan are dead on.. this is just an area a million times smaller.. which still doesnt mean ----..

they have there tanks that they brag about all the time getting owned by anti tank rockets..

they arent gonna win and they arent gonna loose.. again.. see vietnam. see iraq, see afganistan.. its a cluster ----


lol no democratic country has shoot to kill gunners protecting its borders. its not like theyre in a war zone..

pull back to borders of 67
allow easy access between west bank and gaza strip
take off shoot to kill gunners..
dont carve ---- into lebenese territory

pac_crx

Well its easy to post up your assertions that Israel is the same as the US against a Lebanese/Hezbollah force. What I am saying is that tunnels/mountains/desert is what Israel trains in full time. They are not in an alien environment, that is what makes this Israel conflict UNLIKE vietnam/afghanistan/Iraq. We (the us) are ALWAYS in an alien environment when we fight.

And who the hell says that israel CANT bomb every square inch of lebanon into shreds, and kill 50+% of the population? It surely isnt bcs of a lack of firepower, manpower... Mabe, but not firepower. Your personal opinion is not enough to persuade me, you are gonna have to come up with solid evidence from SOMEONE who is confident that at some point Israel is gonna go.. "Ahh oh well we gave it a shot", and go home. Aint gonna happen.

I dont agree that this is a conflict without a possible victor.

J-SMITH69

2 million+ gooks died in vietnam
55,000 US soldiers in vietnam

myshtern

Actually you did:
Israel has taken on the Arab world several times already or did that not happen in your history books?

Ready to eat your own words again?

buk9tp

why do you think they withdrew the first time arround? 20 years they went.. no ------- point to it soldiers dying left and right.. so they withdrew! how long were we in vietnam? how much longer do u think well be in afganistan and iraq?

the israeli army isnt equipped for ----. they live in cities like us, running water.. electricity.. theyre ------- civilians.. not hell bent hardend alalalalalalalalalalala soldiers ready to throw themselves in the line of fire.. when that soldier is out there hes thinking about his family..

who says israel cant bomb every square inch of lebanon? the entire ------- world says

including the united states..

whats the only reason israel isnt being pushed the ---- back into its country by everysingle country in the world? the united states!!! the ONLY country that thretend veto power for all the resoulutions calling for israel to withdraw they bombed a ------- un post read up on that! ---- they should have been condemmed for that but the threat of veto turned it into a ----- resoulution

this conflict will have no victor it will drag on forever and no good will become of it