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sean88accord 01-05-2004 05:58 PM

need a bad blown or abused d16 d15 block to test new idea
 
Have been talking with the machinist about the cylinder walking problem on hondas. between the 2 of us i think we might have the problem licked. We came up with a way we thick to pin the top of the bore to the cylinder head. therby making the cylinders more stable. it looks to create far less stree then posting and with the proported cooling problems with blockguards this looks like it could be the hot ticket. we might even try resleeving a block with a reciver grove in the head and do away with the head gasket sealing the combustion chamber. either way if somebody has a blown up or heavily abused worthless block. you could get a very hefty discount on whatever fix we come up with.

email me at djfreggens@aol.com


Dr.Boost 01-05-2004 06:30 PM

Re:need a bad blown or abused d16 d15 block to test new idea
 
This may help you out.
https://www.homemadeturbo.com/forum/...threadid=14323

If not I might have something. Do you need just the block? No pistons or rods or crank?
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kyle h. 01-05-2004 06:34 PM

Re:need a bad blown or abused d16 d15 block to test new idea
 
i've got 3 blocks in pa. one d15 and 2 sohc zc's.

Special FX 01-05-2004 07:10 PM

Re:need a bad blown or abused d16 d15 block to test new idea
 
Should work pretty well, never seen a VW Beetle with a blown head gasket...

imadouche 01-05-2004 07:13 PM

Re:need a bad blown or abused d16 d15 block to test new idea
 

Originally Posted by Special FX
Should work pretty well, never seen a VW Beetle with a blown head gasket...

??? huh?

Dr.Boost 01-05-2004 07:15 PM

Re:need a bad blown or abused d16 d15 block to test new idea
 
I think he's talking about the design of the VW head since Sean was talking about copying that design.
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imadouche 01-05-2004 08:27 PM

Re:need a bad blown or abused d16 d15 block to test new idea
 
oh ok

B16aHF88 01-05-2004 10:24 PM

Re:need a bad blown or abused d16 d15 block to test new idea
 
i got a d16y7 with 388k on it let me know if ur interested

Dr.Boost 01-05-2004 10:26 PM

Re:need a bad blown or abused d16 d15 block to test new idea
 
Holy ----. Is that in miles? :o
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B16aHF88 01-05-2004 10:37 PM

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yeah thats in miles broke a valve off and jumped around the cylinder and put a hole in the piston. hopefully ill have my civic back by wednesday all i have to do is button up the axles and the rest of the wiring and hoses

Dr.Boost 01-05-2004 10:38 PM

Re:need a bad blown or abused d16 d15 block to test new idea
 
Oh, I thought it was still running. Still impressive though. I'm sure it would still be running if it weren't for the valve.
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B16aHF88 01-05-2004 10:43 PM

Re:need a bad blown or abused d16 d15 block to test new idea
 
if it didnt hit fuelcutoff/redline 10 times a day it probably would make it to 400k i was trying to kill it i had my spare engine just sitting there for over 6month begging for its brother to give up :)

91civicZ6 01-05-2004 10:48 PM

Re:need a bad blown or abused d16 d15 block to test new idea
 
how about just filling the block like v8 racers do...

"solid block" cant possibly blow :D

Dr.Boost 01-05-2004 10:54 PM

Re:need a bad blown or abused d16 d15 block to test new idea
 

Originally Posted by 91civicZ6
how about just filling the block like v8 racers do...

"solid block" cant possibly blow :D

because that would be great for a daily driver. :P
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cua0 01-05-2004 11:50 PM

Re:need a bad blown or abused d16 d15 block to test new idea
 
yeah, who cares if it overheats every 1/8th mile, it gets there FAST cause you're running 46lbs of boost....

sean88accord 01-06-2004 12:00 AM

Re:need a bad blown or abused d16 d15 block to test new idea
 
Well if folks have some bare blocks and a few heads there willig to donate to the cuase im very interested. just let me know what shipping a few bad blocks would cost. Anyways it would be ok if the cylinder walls were torn up. were gonna be playing with locating the cylinder. if we get one inm reasonably repairable shape we might be looking for a high boost car to test in.

Also whats the going rate on sleeving. Machinist was looking to do a group buy. anybody intrested ?

bambooseven 01-06-2004 12:30 AM

Re:need a bad blown or abused d16 d15 block to test new idea
 
very interested if he's got info and somewhere i can see is work

sean88accord 01-06-2004 12:51 AM

Re:need a bad blown or abused d16 d15 block to test new idea
 

Originally Posted by bambooseven
very interested if he's got info and somewhere i can see is work

well link me a few competitive prices. Ive watched this guy sleeve 7 v8's and 8 other engines in the last 2 weeks. his work is impeciable. I think wed be going with darton.

As for the locating the bore thing. Yeah were definetly looking for a fix ( inexspenvie ) but stable. There are a few new options on the table since weve had a few more hrs to think about it.

So i still need a few bad blocks and a few bad heads. the stuff can be nearly destroyed but must have at least on good cylinder in each head. that about it. in fact we will gladly take compeltey bare cylinder heads.

As for the group buy get me some prices together. Pics of work. well i dont think any picture can show 0.0001 of clesarance. But i personally swear by this guy. he does all my machine work. And belive me i put him thru his paces.

on a good note. first pulls on the engine dyno tonight were encouraging. made with a accord 1988 a20a 350hp at 6500 rpm with a s60 turbo; bad news is i need a bigger compressor housing. oh well.

88dx 01-06-2004 01:02 AM

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"a accord 1988 a20a 350hp at 6500 rpm with a s60 turbo;" Come on you cant post those numbers without a dyno graph so lets see it. ;D
steve

sean88accord 01-06-2004 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by 88dx
"a accord 1988 a20a 350hp at 6500 rpm with a s60 turbo;" Come on you cant post those numbers without a dyno graph so lets see it. ;D
steve

actually this is the low power motor. the bad ass motors are still ebing built. saving money for the turbo right now.

As for dyno graphs. why post them. i can make them look real like anybody else can. if you want to come to detriot ill take you for a spin in the car or strap it to a chassis dyno if you dont belive me.

bambooseven 01-06-2004 03:43 AM

Re:need a bad blown or abused d16 d15 block to test new idea
 
i believeyou, sounds sick. You want a price including sleeves or with me buying the sleeves?

bambooseven 01-06-2004 05:58 AM

Re:need a bad blown or abused d16 d15 block to test new idea
 
the going rate, including sleeves is between $1000 and $1200

Dr.Boost 01-06-2004 06:49 AM

Re:need a bad blown or abused d16 d15 block to test new idea
 

Originally Posted by sean88accord
But i personally swear by this guy. he does all my machine work. And belive me i put him thru his paces.

lol, for some reason I believe you 100%. ;)
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B16aHF88 01-06-2004 09:09 AM

Re:need a bad blown or abused d16 d15 block to test new idea
 
well i have the y7 block that dropped/broke a vavle and marred up two portions of the head and put a hole in the piston pay for shipping u can have it minus the oil pan and mainfolds

sean88accord 01-06-2004 05:24 PM

Re:need a bad blown or abused d16 d15 block to test new idea
 

Originally Posted by B16aHF88
well i have the y7 block that dropped/broke a vavle and marred up two portions of the head and put a hole in the piston pay for shipping u can have it minus the oil pan and mainfolds


get me a a qoute to 48386. ill gladly pay shipping.

yes doc i abuse my machinist. but weve been trying to put together a low budget crate motor program for the older 3rd gen accords for about a yr. weve got it so well reasearched that we can build a copy of my 350hp engine for about $2000 with good rods pistons and valvtrian.

ill talk to him about the sleeving price. ill see if darton got back to us today on the cost of the sleeve. if so then ill be able to get the numbers up tommorow.

bambooseven 01-06-2004 06:07 PM

Re:need a bad blown or abused d16 d15 block to test new idea
 
that is with a sleeve price of usually appx $500 (for the MID sleeves, the only ones you should do unless you're an idiot) plus $500-$700 in labor. i know i can get it done locally, and well, for appx $1000

B16aHF88 01-06-2004 10:31 PM

Re:need a bad blown or abused d16 d15 block to test new idea
 
who should i check with for shipping i mean it weights like 200ish right u know of a good frieght company. might be cheaper to call around ur local junkyards and ask if they have any junk blocks because shipping i probably going to be 50-100 if not more? Iam in florida

Dr.Boost 01-06-2004 10:37 PM

Re:need a bad blown or abused d16 d15 block to test new idea
 
Just the block is going to weigh less than 100lbs.
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sean88accord 01-07-2004 10:46 PM

Re:need a bad blown or abused d16 d15 block to test new idea
 

Originally Posted by bambooseven
that is with a sleeve price of usually appx $500 (for the MID sleeves, the only ones you should do unless you're an idiot) plus $500-$700 in labor. i know i can get it done locally, and well, for appx $1000

what are mid sleeves. ? a brand. ? yeah id gladly pay $50 to ship a block and head. break that stuff down though to ship it. it shouldnt eigh more then 50lbs as bare head and block.

and $500 for sleeves is insane what are they made from billet iron ? nodular moly impregnated iron is about the best you can buy and those arent even remotely that pricey.


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