My engine builder has crossed the line
 

As you know I have been putting together a Built D16Y8 project
I have a local builder that is reputable and has built some fast cars even though he is younger than me I trust what I SEE.

Anyways its just starting to get to me hwo much he actually thinks he knows

any brand name of something I ask about he has something bad to say about it

he only wants to use brands he likes on my build
granted IM funding this build Im buying what the ---- I want to

I bought some KMS valve springs and titanium retainers (also KMS)

and dropped them off to him the other day and he starts trashing them
he said"why the ---- did you not get FERREA"

Any of you guys used KMS stuff?

so heres what raelly tops it all off
Me and him and a buddy go to hooters later that night discussing my goals costs etc
he starts talkin about the great AEM EMS and I need to buy one.

I mentioned CROME and he's like no no no no

I said well theres a lot of people I KNOW and a hella lot on HMT running it just fine

his exact reply
"Man,...---- HOMEMADETURBO"

I almost fell out my damn seat.
Im seriously thinking of pulling the plug and goin somewhere else


aint no body bashin HMT

to me HMT is proven success and willingness to go out on a limb and try something

Im sick of this ----



P.S.
he's the one that bashed the hell out of me wanting to use SRP pistons on this build and wanted me to get CP

I found some wiseco's for $400 and jumped all over it and he bashed that too lol

Re: My engine builder has crossed the line
 

take your motor the way it sits, and tell him to ---- off.

dont pay for ----.

Re: My engine builder has crossed the line
 

thats not how business should be done. No matter what YOU the customer have the final say. As the builder he can offer his advice and previous experences but he cant and shouldent tell you how to spend your money. As far as bashing hmt tell him to look threw some of these guys cars. Oh btw ---- AEM EMS TE For Life

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thats not a good way to do buisness

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Chnaces are he can get an AEM at dealer prices and he wants to make more money off you. Crome is free so he won't make ----. Sounds like the guy wants what's best for his pockets and not your motor. :3

Not that the AEM is a bad unit. Nothing wrong with it at all.......except the price tag. :X
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Re: My engine builder has crossed the line
 

you cant let people talk to you like that. get your ---- and take it to someone who wants to build a motor.

Re: My engine builder has crossed the line
 

yeah well it North Carolina so your lucky he doesnt want to tah put a demon carb on it and refer to him as bandit. Its your money, next time remind him were his paycheck is coming from and whos motor it is.

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It seems this guy's solution to everything is to reccomend you buy the most expensive parts possible. Its easy for him to do becuase its not his money. Obviously if your both not on the same level than ----'s not going to work out and just imagine how big of an arrogant prick this guy is going to be if after the motor is together you find out that he fucked something up.

Its best to just pick up all your stuff, pay him for what he did and move on. Avoid headaches and bullshit now while you can...

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Yeah I'd take everyone's advice. Screw this guy.

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EVERYONE says that to me about HMT. That they don't know what they're doing. I really don't care though. It runs.


JP

Re: My engine builder has crossed the line
 

Okay, perhaps the guys opinion sucks, and we all know better.

However! Any shop you take it to is going to do the same exact thing. Of course they want you to buy expensive retail parts from them, thats how they make money.

Of course they want you to buy an EMS they're equipped to tune. Then not only have you lined their pockets from purchasing it, but then they'll have to tune it for you too, which means they can charge you for a ton of dyno time.

Yeah, 100% of shops won't tell you to stay away from Crome, I think Torquefreaks down here has a honda technician who's been playing with it in some vehicles even, even though they are primarily AEM directional.

My suggestion is this. If you know the guy is going to do a good job assembling the head, assembling the bottom end, and will hand it back to you in strong form, then let him to exactly that. Kindly request that he go ahead and assemble the motor with the parts you've provided, and when its done, walk away and take none of his advice to heart. If you're not confident of his abilities, I say go in non-chalant and ask him to work up a bill of whats been done so far, hand him that much money, take your stuff, and leave.

Re: My engine builder has crossed the line
 

Exactly... look at your car. My neighbor used to talk smack on some HMT setups.. oh well. I got my buddy Tim to love it, he even bought a Megasquirt kit and assembled it to get into the groove of things 8)

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that guys got you by the balls man. He wants you to build your motor his way. therefore when ---- goes wrong, you go back to him to fix it, meaning him more money. Its a typical business.

What is done, and how much have you spent so far?

Re: My engine builder has crossed the line
 

he hasnt done much but disassemble and check clearances

lets see I've bought

75.5mm wiseco's
eagle rods
kms blockguard
kms valvesprings and retainers
Skunk2 cam gear
cosmo adjustable FPR
motor mount inserts
RC 550's
ARP head studs


hes doing the internals
Im gonna swap it in when its done

Re: My engine builder has crossed the line
 

Build it yourself, it's easy.

Re: My engine builder has crossed the line
 

how old is he? most younger people think they know everything and that everyone is a dumbass if they dont agree, i was this way ---- still am kinda but o well only 20. id tell him to lick my dick and either do it yourself or find someone else, im in the same boat as your though man i want to do it myself like rebuild my motor but that money im spending on buying all the parts id rather trust someone who know wtf they are doing,,, u know? good luck

Re: My engine builder has crossed the line
 

If your bigger then him just bulley him and push him in the mud and be like "your big brother ain't got ---- on me n166a!" Honestly I'd take the ---- and do it yourself. Save youself some cash and plus you get some knowledge along the way.

Re: My engine builder has crossed the line
 

words to live by right there

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screw him, you will have to pay for the work he has done, but all the parts you said you got are known for being top quality, and after him saying ---- homemadeturbo you should have replyed with a swift kick to the nuts. Don't talk ---- about hmt.

Re: My engine builder has crossed the line
 

Thats why this is homemadeturbo not homeboughtturbo, do it yourself learn something and save money. Use the money you saved on labour for tools so next project is just that much cheaper/better.

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I just was in a local automotive machine shop.They build primarily high performance V8's and are well respected for there engines.I was getting a quote on machine work and he was asking me what I had for parts etc.They sell eagle,JE,scat etc and i told him about my rods from tuner toys.He asked to see them and after inspecting them he said that they were as good as anything he could have sold me and that i got a smoking deal.Never at any point did he try to push his product line at me or give me any attitude.That is the way you run a business, you help the customer get the best value for there money and I will remain a loyal customer.You should take your engine to another shop as you dont have tp know fuckall about imports to build a engine.I personally am going to assemble the engine myself as I dont believe in paying for anything I can do myself.Tell that guy to go ---- his hat and take your ---- back.Bitch slap his ass to for talking smack about HMT.

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HMT will never gain respect from anybody except its paytrons.

Doing stuff yourself, not professionally, is so looked down upon. So stupid. Oh well, continue to build; continue to race; continue to rape.

Re: My engine builder has crossed the line
 

buy a torque wrench, valvespring compressor, a book on your motor and a tool kit and your set. take it to the shop to have the machine work done and assemble it your self. and i would lose the block guard all ive heard is overheating nighmares. i would personally fill it if your that worried or just pay out the ass and have it sleeved, but with sleeves high psi will be right up your alley. >:D

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yup it a much better feeling doing it all yourself

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I use KMS valve train, no problem

Re: My engine builder has crossed the line
 

yeah all the honda-tech people i know in real life bash hmt all the time...and i'm like "well it taught me everything i know about turbo and setups and how to build a motor right fro boost. and thats the truth. then all the people i know that don't go to honda-tech still bash hmt. "yeah i went to that site, its some bull ----...thats the ghetto way to do it" and i'm like well look at my car...it runs its reliable and its faster then yours ;)

Re: My engine builder has crossed the line
 

85% of engine builders, painters, welders, ect. feel better about themselves by bashing anything that isn't theirs. Then you have the other 15% that actually have some kind of communication skills.

There's nothing worse than someone who thinks it's only done right if it's thier way. Tell him I said to get fucked. 8)

Re: My engine builder has crossed the line
 

who's building it? like someone else already said, if you know he's a good builder and you've already agreed to the price he told you, just have him finish the job he started. if he keeps telling you this and that, just be like "look dude, i don't really care what you would have used, this is what i want to use, so please just put it together like i'm paying you to do" and let that be that. that's just how people that work at or that are affiliated with shops are. the reccomend the products that they carry and distribute obviously because there's more money for them that way.

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Nothing irritates me more than people who try to make me feel guilty for not buying what they want me to buy.

I've been in the same situation dealing with automotive shops before.

In fact, a similar situation just happend to my step brother. I sold him a fuel pump and some other parts at my cost because he needed them. When he took them to the shop to get installed in his truck they told him that the fuel pump was junk and that if he doesn't buy the OE part from them it is going to be super loud and fail within a few months. (The OE unit they tried to sell him was 5 times more expensive than the part I got him...5 TIMES MORE!!!).

Needless to say he called me up and didn't know what to do because the mechanic was giving him all this ---- for bringing the fuel pump in. I told him to tell the mechanic to install it and if there were any problems we would take care of them no questions asked.

The fuel pump was installed and guess what? Works perfect, no noise at all, and has a warantee just as good as the OE unit.

The mechanic just wanted to make a few hundred bucks by selling the OE part and not installing the part the customer brought in.

I personally wouldn't deal with your engine builder anymore if it were me. I don't like people who question my ability to research and to buy parts that I am comfortable with.

I hope it all works out for you. The automotive business is FULL of people who think they know everything and who feel the need to force their personal oppinions on everyone they come in contact with. I have to put up with it every damn day...

Re: My engine builder has crossed the line
 

ditch him bro... if he argue's with you about ---- like that when he does a half ass build his going to argue that it wasnt his fault something went wrong... get your parts cut your losses and go to someone who knows how to actually build a engine cost effectively

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A buddy of mine was putting a turbo in his car about the same time I was last spring. He went to a guy here in spokane to install it, I went the HMT route. He talked ---- about me doing it myself and told me I would for sure blow my motor. He has blown his motor twice since then and many thousands later, decided to ditch the guy and go HMT. I on the other hand have gained a ton of knowlegde, proud as hell when i pop the hood and using the money i saved to build a stronger motor.

I say time to ditch the fucker and do it your self.

Re: My engine builder has crossed the line
 

He may be a good builder but he won't last long. Hes only offering a service, something many other people can do. He may have a difference in opinion on parts he wan'ts to use but bashing a customer is a great way to end your buisness and ruin your rep.

Re: My engine builder has crossed the line
 

Seriously, if you're on HMT, why do you have an engine builder?

Re: My engine builder has crossed the line
 

i would tell him thats it's your money not his.....he's just putting ---- together.....honestly tho i would ditch him cause i cant stand someone like that just bashing everything you say...screw that!!!put it together yourself for 1) you'll gain knowledge about it 2)you'll save some money 3) you have all the info you need right here on HMT......but thats just my opinion....HMT LIVES FOREVER....

Re: My engine builder has crossed the line
 

yeah, the hardest part is sizing the bearings, the little clips on valves can be a pain in the ass but there not hard to do as long as you use the grinding stuff on them and get them to seat straight. just take your time and if you get a feelign that your half assing somthing somewhere go over it a couple times to make sure its right.

Re: My engine builder has crossed the line
 

Your builder only got one part right: ragging on you over SRPs. They aren't any stronger than OEM.

Wiseco, Crome, etc, is all good ----. KMS?? Now, I would have gone with RM, and you're stupid for not listening to me... :P