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Old 06-13-2008, 08:37 PM
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first off im not posting this because of my dads case.. my dad was under completly different circumstances but heres the article

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080613/...ary_plot_trial

3 in Ohio guilty of plot against US troops in Iraq By JOE MILICIA, Associated Press Writer
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Three Ohio men were convicted Friday of plotting to recruit and train terrorists to kill American soldiers in Iraq, a case put together with help from a former soldier who posed as a radical bent on violence.

Mohammad Amawi, 28, Marwan El-Hindi, 45, and Wassim Mazloum, 27, face maximum sentences of life in prison. Prosecutors said the men were learning to shoot guns and make explosives while raising money to fund their plans to wage a holy war against U.S. troops.

The federal jury in Toledo returned its verdict after three days of deliberations. U.S. District Judge James G. Carr did not set a sentencing date, said acting U.S. attorney Bill Edwards.

"Today's verdicts should send a strong message to individuals who would use this country as a platform to plot attacks against U.S. military personnel in Iraq and elsewhere," said Patrick Rowan, acting assistant attorney general for national security, in a written statement. "This case also underscores the need for continued vigilance in identifying and dismantling extremist plots that develop in America's heartland."

Messages seeking comment from defense attorneys were not immediately returned. At trial they claimed that the three defendants, who all lived in the Toledo area, were manipulated by the government's star witness, Darren Griffin.

The undercover FBI informant and former Army Special Forces soldier recorded the men for about two years beginning in 2004 while they talked about training in explosives, guns, and sniper tactics. They often met in their homes and at a tiny storefront mosque where they prayed together.

Defense attorneys noted that Griffin was involved in all conversations the prosecution presented to the jury, and that there was no evidence of telephone conversations or e-mails dealing with the alleged plot among only the defendants.

Griffin won the trust of the men by posing as a former soldier who grew disenchanted with U.S. foreign policy who was now intent on violence against America. Prosecutors said even Griffin's family had been under the impression that he had become a radical.

Griffin said most people at the mosque shunned him and that no one raised any threats until El-Hindi began talking about kidnapping Israeli soldiers. Amawi, Griffin said, asked him to help him train two recruits from Chicago for holy war.

According to one secret recording made by Griffin, Amawi said he was troubled by the loss of life in New York in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, but he quickly added: "Killing Americans in Iraq is OK."

Griffin testified that he twice traveled to Jordan with Amawi and also taught Amawi and Mazloum how to shoot guns.

El-Hindi told Griffin, according to recordings heard in court, that he knew two cousins who were eager to receive "jihad training." Griffin asked El-Hindi if he was recruiting for jihad. "Oh no, I just want to take these two," El-Hindi answered, adding that he wanted to take care of them for their families.

The two Chicago-area cousins — Khaleel Ahmed of Chicago and Zubair A. Ahmed of suburban North Chicago — have pleaded not guilty to conspiring to kill American soldiers and face trial next year.

Amawi, El-Hindi and Mazloum were convicted of conspiring to kill or maim people outside the United States, including military personnel. Amawi and El-Hindi were convicted of distributing information regarding explosives to terrorists.

Defense attorneys said Griffin lied and manipulated the defendants by putting words in their mouths so that he could stay on the government payroll.

Attorneys for the men also questioned how the three men could have been involved in a conspiracy when they never practiced shooting guns together or watched training videos together.

Griffin testified that the three gathered in the same place just once during the two years he investigated them. He also said that he never saw e-mails from the men that talked about plotting to kill soldiers.

Amawi and El-Hindi are U.S. citizens, and Mazloum came to the U.S. legally from Lebanon. El-Hindi was born in Jordan, and Amawi was born in the U.S. but also has Jordanian citizenship.

They had blended easily into the city's thriving Muslim community.

Mazloum was a college student who helped his brother run a used-car lot. Amawi once worked at a bakery. And El-Hindi was a married father of seven.

All had moved to the Toledo area only in recent years. Still, the arrests stunned the city's Arab-American community, which has been rooted in the city for generations and produced actor Jamie Farr and entertainer Danny Thomas.

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Associated Press writers Thomas J. Sheeran and M.R. Kropko in Cleveland and John Seewer in Toledo contributed to this report.
and heres the quotes from the article

first off look at this quote
The undercover FBI informant and former Army Special Forces soldier recorded the men for about two years beginning in 2004 while they talked about training in explosives, guns, and sniper tactics. They often met in their homes and at a tiny storefront mosque where they prayed together.
now look at this
Attorneys for the men also questioned how the three men could have been involved in a conspiracy when they never practiced shooting guns together or watched training videos together.

Griffin testified that the three gathered in the same place just once during the two years he investigated them. He also said that he never saw e-mails from the men that talked about plotting to kill soldiers.
even tho they were all under 24/7 survailence
Defense attorneys noted that Griffin was involved in all conversations the prosecution presented to the jury, and that there was no evidence of telephone conversations or e-mails dealing with the alleged plot among only the defendants.

Griffin won the trust of the men by posing as a former soldier who grew disenchanted with U.S. foreign policy who was now intent on violence against America. Prosecutors said even Griffin's family had been under the impression that he had become a radical.
basically this "disgruntled soldier" was giving them money paying for tickets and supposidly training them when since 2004 they only all met together once and there was no ------- cross communication amongst them there were no direct threats against any specific targets there were no talks of going to iraq, there was nothing but retarded meeting between each of em and the only time they met once was arranged by the "disgruntled soldier" who btw is a special forces soldier, so he gave them money.. helped them arrange for visas to get into the country and got them situated and they played along

no emails no follow ups no talks of going to fight the war other than what he recorded with each of them alone

so how the ---- is a jury going to find them guilty

this is bullshit

ive said it before and ill say it again

give me 100k dollars and ill raise any ------- army you want.. be it mexicans to bring back atzlan, or a new **** army to kill all jews... or an irish army to bring back the ira, or a cuban army to get rid of american influences in cuba, or a arab army to exterminate all infidels

people are easilly manipulated, this is just like that to catch a preditor show, if you take people and have em pretend they are kids who are willing to sneak over and come to your house with no one knowing and have sex with em then theres gonna be a higher chance of people being perferts and doing that type of ---- (like the procesecutor who killed himself) if you put the candy out there the kids are gonna ------- eat it

but in real life ---- doesnt work like that

nothing in life is that easy.

piece of ---- people need to stop posing as ---- to nab people

be it a officer posing as a ------- hooker.. or a 50 year old guy posing as a 5 year old kid... or the govt spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on a ------- "informant" who is just stirring up ---- and instilling thoughts of radicallism into the minds of these ------- retards and getting em to say that ---- on tape...

same thing happend with the other group in miami they got aquited of the charges and they got caught on hours of tape together.. in a warehouse paid for by our tax dollars talking bout how they are gonna blow this up and do this and ---- that when its the govt informant who coaxed em into that train of thought...

in all seriousness.. what the ----...
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Old 06-13-2008, 08:39 PM
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cliffnotes...

govt spends hundreds of thousands of dollars for a soldier to go in and pose as a pissed off guy who wants to kill american soldiers
he got em guns, visas, expenses paids
over 4 years they never even all met at once
no phone calls between em
no proof that they would have done any of this on there own
no proof that they would have even done anything at all
guilty verdict
while the soldier is sittin pretty ontop of a stack of money
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Originally Posted by buk9tp


give me 100k dollars and ill raise any ------- army you want..

I'll do it for 90k. The free market owns you.
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******* should have known better, also reinforces the fact that americans can't be trusted and we should all be round up into detention facilities where we can be safe.
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Originally Posted by Stealthmode
I'll do it for 90k. The free market owns you.
all depends on which army you want to raise

i bet i can get arabs together for 10k
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yeah, but rednecks have guns, and we don't try to blend in like tourists. We come straight up to ya face with the BLOCK BLOCK BLOUWW!! BOOYAKASHA!!
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I'll get racist rednecks together for 2-3k.
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I'll get racist rednecks together for 2-3k.
---- that prolly for 400 bucks just run 4 kegs get em all drunk and run the camera
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I'll get racist rednecks together for 2-3k.
That's an awful lot of pork BBQ and Budweiser.
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Originally Posted by buk9tp
all depends on which army you want to raise

i bet i can get arabs together for 10k
How does it feel to know that some guy in some government office has a folder with your name on it and watches everything you write on the internet.
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