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Re: LOL Big manifold makers get amped up easy on HT!!!
Originally Posted by junkyg20
jason park? i've been around that guy comes off as a typical narcissistic douchebag
Very true. Most of the work on the old car was done by someone else anyway. |
Re: LOL Big manifold makers get amped up easy on HT!!!
mustang dyno ftw !!!!! :P
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Re: LOL Big manifold makers get amped up easy on HT!!!
Originally Posted by Joseph Davis
The 3000 units seem much improved, but they kind of ruint themselves between price and reliability. I've heard the Dynapack propaganda about being able to hear single cyl misfires without all the tire noise... but what good is that? It SOUNDS good, but if the tune is that far off you can hear the engine laboring and not pulling smoothly on any loading dyno with a tire interface. Spinning on dyno rollers only happens to BIG power cars or ones with trashed suspension. I've seen 1500 whp cars on a Mustang with no traction issues, its an irrelevant argument IMO.
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Re: LOL Big manifold makers get amped up easy on HT!!!
Are you going by his dyno's tailpipe sniffer?
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Re: LOL Big manifold makers get amped up easy on HT!!!
Originally Posted by Joseph Davis
Are you going by his dyno's tailpipe sniffer?
I compared my PLX to a couple tailpipe sniffers. Even without a cat their could be up to 1.0 difference. |
Re: LOL Big manifold makers get amped up easy on HT!!!
I've had good luck with one or two of those sniffers, they work well if they are set up right. You just have to account for the fact they lag compared to a forward mounted unit.
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Re: LOL Big manifold makers get amped up easy on HT!!!
Originally Posted by Joseph Davis
I've had good luck with one or two of those sniffers, they work well if they are set up right. You just have to account for the fact they lag compared to a forward mounted unit.
Of course the delayed readings, but the fact that they never report the same A/F as my standalone. It would be nice if they reported the same difference, but that is not the case. JD or Chris, have you used any of those flutes that mount in the tailpipe? Like this. I would consider getting one if they work decent. https://www.innovatemotorsports.com/...php?imageid=32 |
Re: LOL Big manifold makers get amped up easy on HT!!!
Originally Posted by MADMAX
Of course the delayed readings, but the fact that they never report the same A/F as my standalone. It would be nice if they reported the same difference, but that is not the case. JD or Chris, have you used any of those flutes that mount in the tailpipe? Like this. I would consider getting one if they work decent. https://www.innovatemotorsports.com/...php?imageid=32 |
Re: LOL Big manifold makers get amped up easy on HT!!!
Originally Posted by ososlohatch
about a .5 + or - in the afr using a flute, thats what i was told buy a aemems tunner in omaha
+/- doesn't tell me anything. |
Re: LOL Big manifold makers get amped up easy on HT!!!
question regarding af ratios
it possible for me to mount a narrowband in a nut welded on my exhaust upstream, +12v to the whites, ground the black, and put a low voltage readout voltmeter (0-1v) and read it that way? carbureted doesnt merit a wideband unless making post 600hp in my opinion |
Re: LOL Big manifold makers get amped up easy on HT!!!
Originally Posted by MADMAX
Of course the delayed readings, but the fact that they never report the same A/F as my standalone. It would be nice if they reported the same difference, but that is not the case.
Mad Maximillian... I see a lot of aftermarket gear reading incorrectly due to ground issues or installer error. Expecting a wideband to log correctly when tied to thin gauge ECU power and grounds, fighting the ECU for a path for current to flow raises dynamic resistance, it is an exercise in futility. If your AFRs show up differently between WB display and what your laptop logs through the ECU... if your AFRs change when you turn headlights on/off... if Crome lambda offset is more than 0.01... you have problems. Ground the engine, ground the chassis, run your powers for your gear from the battery and the grounds to the engine block, and use wire thick enough to support it. |
Re: LOL Big manifold makers get amped up easy on HT!!!
Originally Posted by Joseph Davis
Mad Maximillian... I see a lot of aftermarket gear reading incorrectly due to ground issues or installer error. Expecting a wideband to log correctly when tied to thin gauge ECU power and grounds, fighting the ECU for a path for current to flow raises dynamic resistance, it is an exercise in futility. If your AFRs show up differently between WB display and what your laptop logs through the ECU... if your AFRs change when you turn headlights on/off... if Crome lambda offset is more than 0.01... you have problems. Ground the engine, ground the chassis, run your powers for your gear from the battery and the grounds to the engine block, and use wire thick enough to support it.
I don't have those problems. I run 12 gage wire for the power and ground from the battery; no pesky loops with grounding to the engine. The offset for datalogging is irrelevant. All it means is that the voltage feed going to the ecu has some drop in it. It doesn't mean that the WB is reading differently. All you are doing is relaying the correct WB readings. I did a direct test. I logged my sensor in the DP and then put the same sensor in the gas analyzer vacuum box that lead to the tailpipe. There was a difference. See how the offset doesn't matter. Offset is a common factor in the test; therefore, is null in the test. |
Re: LOL Big manifold makers get amped up easy on HT!!!
Yes, I use it when someone shows up and they didnt know they needed an O2 bung in the car or the O2 sensor wont come out. Works well but yes you have to account for the lag. Let me know if you need one.
No Joseph, I was using o2 in the exhaust tract like normal on each case.
Originally Posted by MADMAX
Of course the delayed readings, but the fact that they never report the same A/F as my standalone. It would be nice if they reported the same difference, but that is not the case. JD or Chris, have you used any of those flutes that mount in the tailpipe? Like this. I would consider getting one if they work decent. https://www.innovatemotorsports.com/...php?imageid=32 |
Re: LOL Big manifold makers get amped up easy on HT!!!
great looking manifold man...
unbelieveable crappiness on HT...sheesh.. there are a LOT of good people on there..and a few high-post-high knowledge jackasses that can ruin a thread in 4 seconds.. tons of info, but tons of stupidity. |
Re: LOL Big manifold makers get amped up easy on HT!!!
Originally Posted by xenocron
Yes, I use it when someone shows up and they didnt know they needed an O2 bung in the car or the O2 sensor wont come out. Works well but yes you have to account for the lag. Let me know if you need one.
How well do they work in the huge fart can mufflers. You know, the ones that taper from 2" to 5". I have had problems with with the regular long copper tube ones. The outside air seems to saturate the exhaust stream. |
Re: LOL Big manifold makers get amped up easy on HT!!!
I dunno the manifold looks pretty damn good to me! :6
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Re: LOL Big manifold makers get amped up easy on HT!!!
Originally Posted by getawayinmoscow
I dunno the manifold looks pretty damn good to me! :6
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Re: LOL Big manifold makers get amped up easy on HT!!!
Originally Posted by Joseph Davis
I've had Innovate LM-1 and NTK mounted on flutes, and stock Honduh K-series wideband sensor, all in .05-.1 harmony while the pillar mounted AEM unit spouted LIES.
Mad Maximillian... I see a lot of aftermarket gear reading incorrectly due to ground issues or installer error. Expecting a wideband to log correctly when tied to thin gauge ECU power and grounds, fighting the ECU for a path for current to flow raises dynamic resistance, it is an exercise in futility. If your AFRs show up differently between WB display and what your laptop logs through the ECU... if your AFRs change when you turn headlights on/off... if Crome lambda offset is more than 0.01... you have problems. Ground the engine, ground the chassis, run your powers for your gear from the battery and the grounds to the engine block, and use wire thick enough to support it. I use a .03 correction in crome and its jumpy as ---- but it works itself out, the Te guys claim its because the WBlin out is not grounded and it feeds from the heater circiut or some ----. I dont use crome's lambda input anyway, i've found its faster to tune by hand with the display right there in my face. |
Re: LOL Big manifold makers get amped up easy on HT!!!
the manifold looks tits man nice work .. ---- ht :7
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