HomemadeTurbo - DIY Turbo Forum

HomemadeTurbo - DIY Turbo Forum (https://www.homemadeturbo.com/)
-   General Discussion (https://www.homemadeturbo.com/general-discussion-6/)
-   -   Legislators aim to snuff out penalties for pot use (https://www.homemadeturbo.com/general-discussion-6/legislators-aim-snuff-out-penalties-pot-use-93995/)

Jorsher 07-30-2008 06:30 PM

Legislators aim to snuff out penalties for pot use
 
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/...ana/index.html


(CNN) -- The U.S. should stop arresting responsible marijuana users, Rep. Barney Frank said Wednesday, announcing a proposal to end federal penalties for Americans carrying fewer than 100 grams, almost a quarter-pound, of the substance.

Current laws targeting marijuana users place undue burdens on law enforcement resources, punish ill Americans whose doctors have prescribed the substance and unfairly affect African-Americans, said Frank, flanked by legislators and representatives from advocacy groups.

"The vast amount of human activity ought to be none of the government's business," Frank said on Capitol Hill. "I don't think it is the government's business to tell you how to spend your leisure time."

The Massachusetts Democrat and his supporters emphasized that only the use -- and not the abuse -- of marijuana would be decriminalized if the resolution resulted in legislation. Video Watch Frank lay out the proposal »

The Drug Enforcement Administration says people charged with simple possession are rarely incarcerated. The agency and the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy have long opposed marijuana legalization, for medical purposes or otherwise.

Marijuana is a Schedule I controlled substance, meaning it has a high potential for abuse and no accepted medical use, according to the drug control office.

"Smoked marijuana has not withstood the rigors of science -- it is not medicine and it is not safe," the DEA states on its Web site. "Legalization of marijuana, no matter how it begins, will come at the expense of our children and public safety. It will create dependency and treatment issues, and open the door to use of other drugs, impaired health, delinquent behavior, and drugged drivers."

Allen St. Pierre, spokesman for the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws, likened Frank's proposal -- co-sponsored by Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas -- to current laws dealing with alcohol consumption. Alcohol use is permitted, and the government focuses its law enforcement efforts on those who abuse alcohol or drive under its influence, he said.

"We do not arrest and jail responsible alcohol drinkers," he said.

St. Pierre said there are tens of millions of marijuana smokers in the United States, including himself, and hundreds of thousands are arrested each year for medical or personal use. iReport.com: Is it time to legalize pot?

There have been 20 million marijuana-related arrests since 1965, he said, and 11 million since 1990, and "every 38 seconds, a marijuana smoker is arrested."

Rob Kampia, director of the Marijuana Policy Project, said marijuana arrests outnumber arrests for "all violent crimes combined," meaning police are spending inordinate amounts of time chasing nonviolent criminals.

"Ending arrests is the key to marijuana policy reform," he said.

Reps. William Lacy Clay, D-Missouri, and Barbara Lee, D-California, said that in addition to targeting nonviolent offenders, U.S. marijuana laws unfairly target African-Americans.

Clay said he did not condone drug use but opposes using tax dollars to pursue what he feels is an arcane holdover from "a phony war on drugs that is filling up our prisons, especially with people of color."

Too many drug enforcement resources are being dedicated to incarcerating nonviolent drugs users, and not enough is being done to stop the trafficking of narcotics into the United States, he said.

Being arrested is not the American marijuana smoker's only concern, said Bill Piper of the Drug Policy Alliance Network. Those found guilty of marijuana use can lose their jobs, financial aid for college, their food stamp and welfare benefits, or their low-cost housing.

The U.S. stance on marijuana, Piper said, "is one of the most destructive criminal justice policies in America today."

Calling the U.S. policy "inhumane" and "immoral," Lee said she has many constituents who are harassed or arrested for using or cultivating marijuana for medical purposes. California allows medical marijuana use, but the federal government does not, she explained.

House Resolution 5843, titled the Personal Use of Marijuana by Responsible Adults Act of 2008, would express support for "a very small number of individuals" suffering from chronic pain or illness to smoke marijuana with impunity.

According to NORML, marijuana can be used to treat a range of illnesses, including glaucoma, asthma, multiple sclerosis, HIV/AIDS and seizures.

Frank, who is chairman of the Financial Services Committee, said that about a dozen states have approved some degree of medical marijuana use and that the federal government should stop devoting resources to arresting people who are complying with their states' laws.

In a shot at Republicans, Frank said it was strange that those who support limited government want to criminalize marijuana.

Asked whether the resolution's passage would change his personal behavior, Frank quipped, "I do obey every law I vote for" but quickly said he did not use marijuana, nor does he encourage it.

"I smoke cigars. I don't think other people should do that. If young people ask me, I would advise them not to do it," he said.
advertisement

If HR 5843 were passed, the House would support marijuana smokers possessing up to 100 grams -- about 3½ ounces -- of cannabis without being arrested. It would also give its blessing to the "nonprofit transfer" of up to an ounce of marijuana.

The resolution would not address laws forbidding growing, importing or exporting marijuana, or selling it for profit. The resolution also would not speak to state laws regarding marijuana use.
I really doubt the bill will pass, but am just curious on what everyone's stance on the subject is.

My opinion:
People always have and always will smoke it, legally or not. I don't see why the government should be forfeiting billions of dollars worth of tax revenue they could possibly get from regulation. Instead they spend billions more to jail non-violent offenders. It's ridiculous that there are a larger number of people in jail for marijuana than there are for all violent crimes combined. I know this bill doesn't do anything to tax the substance, but I still feel that criminalizing pot-smokers is a retarded waste of money and time. Before anyone bitches about "druggie scum" like I've seen so often on here in the past, ask yourself if you drink. Alcohol has caused more physical and mental damage than marijuana. Alcohol has caused significantly more deaths. I can't recall the last time I've seen "stoned guy causes fatal accident." Alcohol is destructive to the liver and brain. Although people become pretty dumb when they're stoned off their ass, they still have a bit more self-control than what I've seen with alcohol consumption. I don't think pot makes people stupid; I think stupid people overuse pot. I know plenty of successful people that smoke regularly. I won't deny that pot doesn't make you lazy, but it's up to you to use it responsibly. I shouldn't be afraid to sit at home, play a game, smoke a fattie, and clean out the fridge.

b18. 07-30-2008 06:38 PM

Re: Legislators aim to snuff out penalties for pot use
 
http://youtube.com/watch?v=wVkk6fH2u0Y

J-SMITH69 07-30-2008 06:43 PM

Re: Legislators aim to snuff out penalties for pot use
 
the drug war is one of the worst things to ever happen to this country.

they shouldn't tax it, they shouldn't regulate it, they should leave everyone alone.

Jorsher 07-30-2008 06:49 PM

Re: Legislators aim to snuff out penalties for pot use
 

Originally Posted by random-strike
the drug war is one of the worst things to ever happen to this country.

they shouldn't tax it, they shouldn't regulate it, they should leave everyone alone.

I agree, but if they want to be dicks about the situation, no pot smoker would have a problem with them taxing it.

- pot would be better if grown by large companies (marlboro hydro menthol)
- pot would be cheaper if not in the black market and mass produced
- govt could rake in some cash and help pay off the debt they ring up
- I could stop at the gas station for some more instead of having to drive to the ghetto and wherever else
- it would take the money out of the hands of criminals and give it to the govt instead (not sure which is better)

oldjohn 07-30-2008 06:50 PM

Re: Legislators aim to snuff out penalties for pot use
 
fuk tha poe lease :6

b18. 07-30-2008 06:53 PM

Re: Legislators aim to snuff out penalties for pot use
 
Laws are what make people criminals, that's not a measure of someone's worth honestly.

Being a criminal is inconsequential, I know plenty of drug dealers who aren't looking to swindle people.

It's fairly obvious theres something wrong if we spend this:

http://www.usdoj.gov/jmd/2008summary/html/118_dea.htm

but still have higher availability of drugs of old, synthetics, and not to mention purer substance.

People always feel better if they throw money at a problem and are told it's going to be okay.

JoshMO 07-30-2008 06:57 PM

Re: Legislators aim to snuff out penalties for pot use
 
Have to agree with you on this Jorscher. When used responsibly its no worse than alcohol or tobacco

MikeJ-2009 07-30-2008 07:15 PM

Re: Legislators aim to snuff out penalties for pot use
 
The feds should make import/export laws. Everything else is for each state to decide, and having played with all substances, alcohol will make people do the dumbest ---- ever, while weed only makes you want to enter an OC eating contest.

b18. 07-30-2008 07:22 PM

Re: Legislators aim to snuff out penalties for pot use
 

Originally Posted by Stealthmode
Get high and have an OC eating contest.

I just came a little.

CspecRun 07-30-2008 08:25 PM

Re: Legislators aim to snuff out penalties for pot use
 
I agree Jorsher, that ---- will probaly never pass, but it sure would make life alot easier for alot of ppl if it did. I think the gov't realizes how much money it makes every year from punishing ppl for something that isn't wrong. It's BS. What did that guy say??.."People who are convicted for simple possession are rarely convicted." So ------' what, they're are still thrown in a cell at the time they are apprehended or caught whateverthafuck you wanna call it. And if you are someone who TRULY enjoys smoking marijuana then more than likely you will be caught for simple possession at least a few times(I've been caught 3 times since I was 18, I'm 29 now). If you was to happen by chance rack up 2 or 3 possession charges in a short period of time(due to bad circumstance, or bad luck,etc.), and go before a judge who's ------' daughter just so happen to get killed by some1 who was driving "WHILE HIGH", then ur ass could possibly go up the road for a spell. And for what?? THAT'S BULLSHIT

Jorsher 07-30-2008 08:58 PM

Re: Legislators aim to snuff out penalties for pot use
 
I'm not even sure the government makes money from imprisoning pot-smokers. Sure, occasionally they'll confiscate a large sum of drug money, but most of the time they don't and it's quite expensive to keep people in jail.

I'm cool with the same laws as alcohol being applied to pot as far as driving. I honestly believe I'm a better driver while high (I'm not high right now). Why? Because I'm so paranoid of ------- up or speeding that I drive much more attentively than I do sober. I've taken many 4-6 hour drives blazed the entire time without any incidents, but I wouldn't recommend it and avoid it now.

I've smoked since I was a freshman, and fortunately have never been caught. I've been pulled over by a dick of a cop in Georgia who knew he was wrong and tried ANYTHING possible to ticket me on. He checked my eyes, fingernails, questioned my friend, searched me, and fortunately didn't find the small pipe I tucked in my bozak. I was let off without even a warning.
Another incident, I was riding with a friend on some backroads and we had just finished a fattie. Well, he didn't heed my word that the speed limit was 25 and got pulled over. The cop told him he was going 45 past a few speed limit signs and asked why he had a piece of metal used for "breaking into cars." Fortunately, the friend kept his cool, and realized the cop was talking about the bar you use for propping the hood open that he had in the back. The cop somehow didn't notice the smell of cannabis and let us go, again without even a warning.

The only other incident was smoking with the same friend. Traffic was backed up, we were pulling out of a gas station, and some people left a gap for us to drive through and turn left. Well, as soon as we started crossing the turning lane, horns started honking and a van slammed into the car. Talk about a buzz killer. Of course we were paranoid. One of the people in the van just happened to be related to the police chief, and they reeked of law-abiding christian citizenship, so we were sure we were fucked. Fortunately, the damage wasn't too bad, nobody was hurt, they didn't notice the smell of pot, and it was resolved like a typical fender-bender. FYI, don't trust people that leave you a gap to cross the road because someone could be flying up the other lane.

78NOVA 07-30-2008 09:12 PM

Re: Legislators aim to snuff out penalties for pot use
 
lol at jorsher to bring this up....rofl!!!

E-b0la 07-30-2008 10:17 PM

Re: Legislators aim to snuff out penalties for pot use
 
If it's legal that's one thing, but It needs to be treated the same as alcohol for driving, work, ect...


What I hate is there are people still in a fog where I work.

They require a drug test for hire, but afterwords most start smoking again. This kid got fired last week for smoking out back on the job. Good, ---- him. You can't be high on a job where you need to pay attention to detail, let alone pay attention. I mean they're probably scrapping parts. Good thing they're not running expensive equipment like our robots.

MikeJ-2009 07-31-2008 12:20 AM

Re: Legislators aim to snuff out penalties for pot use
 

Originally Posted by Jorsher


fortunately didn't find the small pipe I tucked in my bozak.


they reeked of law-abiding christian citizenship,



True excellence in posting. :6

I was a pizza delivery man when I was 18 and I smoked that ---- minutes before showing up to houses. I've been pulled over high without a care in the world because real smokers know that after a certain point, there's no such thing as "stoned". You get a head high, and that's that. Blaze one for the nation, my niggaz.

ichbinsobose 07-31-2008 09:37 AM

Re: Legislators aim to snuff out penalties for pot use
 
---- potheads

JeenYus 07-31-2008 10:01 AM

Re: Legislators aim to snuff out penalties for pot use
 
^ ---- you and ---- off, what makes you so special?

I saw this last night on netscape... I have to agree with everything Jorsher said. As much as i want to see this pass i have my doubts. Everyone knows this ---- should have been legalized decades ago. The war on drugs really is one of the worst things this country has ever decided to do. Leave everyone alone and let our personal business be just that.

ichbinsobose 07-31-2008 11:30 AM

Re: Legislators aim to snuff out penalties for pot use
 

Originally Posted by ichbinsobose
---- potheads

uh huh

JeenYus 07-31-2008 12:34 PM

Re: Legislators aim to snuff out penalties for pot use
 
ok.

ScorpioMk 07-31-2008 01:55 PM

Re: Legislators aim to snuff out penalties for pot use
 

Originally Posted by Jorsher
FYI, don't trust people that leave you a gap to cross the road because someone could be flying up the other lane.

ya, it can cause a sentra to come flying out of nowhere, 7,500 in damage to your truck and a ticket for not yeilding when everyone waved you out :3. I dont smoke (pot) but also dont think it should be a big deal, i havent smoked in 6 years or something, it was just never my thing i guess, i dont really drink much either. they do need to figure out the rest of the laws that go along with this (selling,growing) and should let big business grow.

Racintweek 07-31-2008 06:41 PM

Re: Legislators aim to snuff out penalties for pot use
 
if this does pas it will them be up to the states to put penalties on possesion.

since MD already has medi marijuana i think i should be OK and whenthis happens
http://www.growery.org/forums/files/...ght_of_jah.jpg
will be in the closet

1slow91 07-31-2008 07:08 PM

Re: Legislators aim to snuff out penalties for pot use
 
i can honestly say that i truly think booze is a bigger problem then pot
i never smoked a blunt and went out and beat up my ol ladie cause of it
the worst i did was kill a $20 eating fast food
nor did i eer get totally blazed and go crash my car into a church bus full of nuns and orphans killing them all
might have driven a bit slow or started to stop at a blinking yellow light "you smokers know what im talkin bout"
i think money can be made off it being legal to get stoned just as long as it is regulated

signorelli21 08-01-2008 12:50 AM

Re: Legislators aim to snuff out penalties for pot use
 
Yea its funny that pot has been illegal since like what 1973? and noone still has been able to make a valid case against it, as far as i am concerned it is the opposite of alcohol. When I used to get high everything seemed fun and interesting, food taste better, hell drinking water is like the best tasting thing ever, lol, and I always hated driving because i always got real paranoid, especially if i was ripped because i couldn't concentrate enough, make everybody shut up and turn down the stereo "so i can see better" lol.


anyway it won't pass, not when the "prison system" is a "Private business" and the police are more interested in padding their budget than protecting the citizens they are sworn to serve, and all these industries are lobbiests and have more influence than the average joe with no money.

LilWayne 08-01-2008 02:55 PM

Re: Legislators aim to snuff out penalties for pot use
 
Smoke weed everyday!


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:09 PM.


© 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands