dragon

and i'll stand by my word. Most of the people i know who follow that religion are hypocrits.

davcivic

What do you mean came out after other religions?
The Bible starts with the creation of the world, Adam and Eve and how the paradise was lost, all of these books in the Bible that where written before Jesus what some call the Old testament, are books that where use by old religions thousands of years ago, pretty much all of it is the story of Israel, and how the Jews became to be a nation. It's part of the Old religions, where talking about 6 thousand years ago. Then the New testament is the story of the beginning of Christianity and the opportunity given to all of us to be saved. If you didn't know before Jesus the only people that could be saved where the people from Israel God's nation and by Jesus dying for us he open the way for us to be saved. It's the same God that the Jews worship if you didn't know that, the creator of all life. Understanding the Bible is not easy but it is possible. Studying the Bible is like studying ancient history and from all of that history we learn a lot.

d16tuner

Ok, I can't stop

Mak makes an excellent point about legends. In addition, legends are never specific as to a time or place - "once upon a time in a faraway land". The Bible is HIGHLY supported by such, showing it to be a true history rather than a series of legends or fairy tales.
Example - Luke 3:1
Now in the fifteenth year of the reigh of Tiberius Caesar, Pontius Pilate being governor of Judaea and Herod being tetrarch of Galilee and his brother Philip tetrarch of Ituraea and of the region of Trachonitis, and Lysanias the tetrarch of Abilene, Annas and Caiaphas being the high priests, the word of God came unto John the son of Zacharias in the wilderness.
writers of fictional stories would cover their tracks, and never give that much detail.

Think about it, he is the creator. He made us. He didn't have to, but he did. That gives him the right. If I create something, I have the right to say how it is used, and should God have any less? And he not only made us, but he gave us free will. That shows his love. We have the right to make choices, WITHIN the realm of his will, which is not as bad as many think. Really, following his will leads to the greatest happiness. How many people create children out of wedlock or get STDs while doing God's will?
No, we don't know what Jesus looks like, and the bible writers (think of them as secretaries) don't describe him. Does anyone claim to actually know, except for maybe a few crackpots?
Oops, Mak already addressed this (free will).
He gave us a lot. Obedience is a four letter word today, but it doesn't mean he doesn't deserve it considering what he has done.

If you killed millions and millions of people, you should be tried by a court of law. God wouldn't prevent that. Justice would be served either way. God simply has the right to give you a second chance. But it isn't as easy as saying "sorry", and No, God does not HAVE to forgive anyone. This is the kind of logic that makes people think they CAN do anything and get away from it. It is flawed logic and has lead to more bloodshed and harm in the world than most anything else.

Nope, we cannot judge people. That is for God. And I hope I haven't offended anyone. My intent is only to inform. If information hurts tho, maybe it is a good idea to do a self-examination!

d16tuner

The bible came out after what religion? The first five books (Torah) and basis for all of the Bible were completed by about 1470 BC. Name a holy book that is older.

No argument here. Read my first post.
Oops, it got deleted. That stinks too - it took awhile to type all of those scriptures!

davcivic

Everything you have said I wanted to say, good points. The truth hurts sometimes but there's no way around it, and you will find out one day what the truth is/was. People are warned and have been warned for ages, and not everybody believes that things are or can happen. I rather live a good life and make sure I'll be ok at the end, that being in the border line and find out I was wrong too late.

dragon

ok smarty. If you want to get technical the oldest religion ever found and recorded was from eygpt. You should have learned that from history class and discovery channel and what not. And if you want to mix religion with evolution we can do that and what we discover by evolution doesn't mix well with the bible so i can't believe everything the bible says. And i can't except the fact the my happiness all depends on how someone wants me to follow their RULES for me to live a happy after just becuause i've done things he doesn't want me to do. I make my own decesion and my beliefs that makes me feel good about my self.

And people who follow the bible always have to be right and think other people is wrong. If good loves me so much dont take things away from me and make other people suffer when you know you can prevent that.

i see ---- everyday of how preist rapes boy, no other race is mention in the bible, jesus is feature is shown as what isn't describe in the bible(whats up with that are you ashamed?) i've heard god doesn't believe in mix relationship all through my life from diffrent states and i did beleive once and it aint working. So i rather believe what i think now. There is so many wrongs with the religion discuss in the bible.

Boostoholic

d16tuner

I mean current religions. That one is dead, so it is no longer in the running!
It mixes very well with PROVEN science. Evolution is not proven. People like to claim it is fact. They claimed for years that evolution thru natural selection was FACT. And then when they were PROVED WRONG, they all started claiming Punctuated Equilibrium is a fact. This will be proven wrong and they all will cling to something else. And of course, it will be FACT and anyone who disagrees with this NEW FACT is pegged a nut. Some evolution takes place, and is allowed for by scripture. For instance, man is gradually getting taller - proven, and not out of harmony with the scriptures (where does the Bible say man can only be 5'6" forever?) and there is a great amount of diversity allowed within the genes of any species. We can breed different lines of horses and dogs because of this. But you have never, and never will se a horse-dog arise thru genetic mutation. If it does, it will be a cripple and unable to breed. Genetics allow for change to go SO FAR, and NO FURTHER - this is PROVEN SCIENCE that many like to disregard. In fact most who claim to be SCIENTISTS are quite happy to disregard any PROVEN SCIENCE that doesn't agree with their faith. And I call it faith, because that is what it is. Believing something you can't prove (the scientific method requires experimentation and thus by ESTABLISHED SCIENTIFIC METHOD the evolution of man and other species has never, and can never be proved) because you chose to. Especially since evolutionary theory is so problematic that they are always having to change and come up with new THEORIES every time they fall on their face.And this, I think is why you don't believe, more than anyting else. Search your feelings, Luke, you know it to be true. lol.
And this is different from nonbelievers in some way?
Maybe he has good reasons. If you sincerely want to know, the answers are out there. You just have to know where to look...
That is disgusting (them not you). Evolutionists commit terrible crimes too, but you don't see me using that to disprove evolution. You can't blame God for what some people do while "claiming" to represent him.
I don't even understand what you mean. Why would Jesus features be important? The message and death are the reason he came, not to be a fashion model.
I'm the product of a mixed marriage. I guess that means I'm also part of a mixed marriage now. Technically speaking there is NO pure race since we all come from the same genetic stock if you go back far enough (Noah). People who say that kind of thing misrepresent God.
I'm sorry it isn't working for you. Many of the points you have made about the way modern religions are practiced are quite valid, sad to say, and I am sad to see that these things have turned you against the creator. You should note that the fact there would be false prophets and many who would do bad things in Gods name was foretold 2000 years ago. So you should not be surprised that there are hypocrites. Just try to focus on learning God's will, not THEM. Matt 23 "All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe ahd do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not [do]". - Jesus speaking about religious leaders of his day who were supposed to represent God before his (then) chosen people.

davcivic

You are right, that's why I believe not all religions are good, and not all churches are good or doing god's will. But the answer to all of your questions are on the bible. Why does he let us suffers like you said, and why are all of these religious leaders doing what they are doing. It's all in the bible, as profecies that are being seen today. If you would really learn/read/study the bible you would learn a lot of why we are where we are right now.

The first religion or the worship of God Almighty the creator of all, started with Adam and Eve, is the same God we as Christians worship today. All religions in the world have an idea of an all powerful god or creator, and maybe some other gods that help or played some part on their religion. And egypt was not the first civilization or religion that there's record of. But like you said If for some reason you don't believe in it or have seen or have had bad experiences before in your life, as a human being you have the option of not following him and his will. Again if you don't have faith that he exists you cannot understand the answers to many questions.
-David

By the way Evolution is a theory......
I'm not a monkey and I was never a monkey

MakAttack

Exactly!
Actually there is a description of Christ in the Bible. It is not the kind of description though where you give spcifics like long, brown, curly hair and blue eyes. I would post it but I can't remember where it is, in the Bible. My friend is going to get back to me and help me out. Then I'll share with you all.