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Honda16hb 03-02-2009 01:10 PM

I finally blew the fuck out of a motor!!
 
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That motor mount is missing a couple of bolts, eh?

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That could be a problem, I thought the block was not supposed to have speed holes in it.

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Is that the broken end of a connecting rod peaking out there?

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Oil everywhere

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I can't tell if that bolt is sheared, but I pulled it out of the mount without any twisting.

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You can see where the oil trail starts

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This shot shows the length of the oil trail before I coasted to a stop.


The story: 96 Toyota Camry 2.2L, I bought it last May with 68000 miles on it, it now has 87000. In Maryland you have to get your car inspected to get it registered. I went to get an inspection Friday, and got an oil change while I was at it since the car was due (and I don't have a jack and oil pan to do it myself since I left all that ---- behind when I moved). about 11 hours and exactly 37 miles after I leave the shop I hear some noises you don't like to hear from your engine bay, oil smoke is everywhere, and the oil light goes on. I coast to a stop, run home (literally running, I was less than half a mile from my house when this went down), get some flash lights and a camera and snap away. The dipstick still shows oil at the low mark on the stick.

I went to the shop that did the work to see if they are willing to claim liability and of course they get super defensive saying there is no way this could possibly be their fault.

My theory is they overfilled the oil and fucked my ---- up, they say that is impossible and that that generation is known for having a bad bottom end design. I have been looking up problems with the 92-96 camry online and I have found nothing about that generation having a shitty bottom end.

Any ideas about what I should do?

Smith-02 03-02-2009 01:25 PM

Re: I finally blew the fuck out of a motor!!
 
you bought a used car out of warranty with no warranty what more do you want to know?

edit: read the type too fast and i see that you've owned it for a while. find the regional manager for the lube chain and go over the shop directly.

McBoost 03-02-2009 01:30 PM

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That's crazy... It seems there is a correlation between the oil change and the blown motor. Talk to the owner of the lube shop.

Jack stands (and peace of mind knowing it's done right) > New motor

Good luck man.

leed 03-02-2009 01:51 PM

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Moshi Moshi.

88dx 03-02-2009 02:13 PM

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I see stuff fucked up all the time from quick lubes :l They really like to drain the front Diff's on Subaru's :8

scottsi 03-02-2009 02:42 PM

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The real question is how did you get out of those drug charges.

buk9tp 03-02-2009 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by scottsi
The real question is how did you get out of those drug charges.


Econo-Box 03-02-2009 03:36 PM

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That was Spencer I thought that got popped.

seerex 03-02-2009 03:54 PM

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If it was sears they will pay for it, just have to bitch at them.

Tom-Guy 03-02-2009 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Kyle
My theory is they overfilled the oil and fucked my ---- up, they say that is impossible and that that generation is known for having a bad bottom end design. I have been looking up problems with the 92-96 camry online and I have found nothing about that generation having a shitty bottom end.

They have a wierd bottom end. I've made 432 whp off of stock 5F rods, but they are prone to consuming rod bearings prematurely, etc. Ask Robb, he just finished the nightmare of putting an MR2 5F in a Camry for an inlaw.

b20accord 03-02-2009 05:03 PM

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go straight back to that lube shop and raise hell with the manager. If they dont agree to pay for the motor then take them to court. There is no way u would lose. If anything pop under the car loosen up the drain plug and tell them they didnt tighten up the drain plug and it fell out on the way home, blowing up your engine!

RedCavz 03-02-2009 06:20 PM

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But you can't fit your hand in 3 separate holes and the motor didn't pop at 140mph on the freeway leaving oil not only on your car, but every car trailing O0

Lame

jinxy 03-02-2009 06:35 PM

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go find another S series and throw that ---- in.

ShoofIsLudin 03-02-2009 06:43 PM

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they're gonna probably claim that ur engine was damaged before the oil change. The only thing you can do it bitch about it. Its really shitty that that happened. Good luck dealing with them...

CXyD 03-02-2009 07:00 PM

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When I use to work in a parts store I would have customers telling me about these same nightmares.

Some of them raised enough hell to get a used or new motor installed for free.

I believe most shops have some kind of insurance to cover this take them to court.

rosario4124 03-02-2009 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by scottsi
The real question is how did you get out of those drug charges.


HondaTuner 03-02-2009 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by leed
Moshi Moshi.

Kisama, nihongo de hanashimasu ka? Chigau? :8


Good luck with dealing with these bitches, though :-\

Guy-Fast 03-02-2009 07:23 PM

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Overfilled oil in motors will smoke like a ------ chimney from idle up and basically make them unable to be driven. I learned this after I did a swap for my buddy who was in a tough spot. I did all the ---- most people ---- up on and had him do all the bitch work so I didnt feel like a slave working for 100 bucks. Long story short he comes and gets me and is crying the motor is fucked it smokes like crazy etc.


My redneck los angeles county HOnda guru buddy asks if he drained the motor since most motors from JAP land come almost full. He didnt and threw 5 quarts on top of the 2+quarts already in the motor



My experince if they overfilled it you would have people screaming at you from behind that your car is on fire.


Drained like 4 quarts out of the car and broke the Jap Land Vtec motor in with rev limiter drops and a 8 hour road trip. Car ran perfect till he left for Korea.


Conclusion: If they overfilled your oil you would of noticed it right away.


Honda16hb 03-02-2009 08:02 PM

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Thanks for all the replies, except for you fags that confused me with that canadian piece of ---- spencer. I've been reading around on google web searches and this generation of camry is looking like not too many problems, there are reports of 98s and 99s throwing rods, but not 92-96. On my search about over filling it said that the oil can get aerated and then not pump worth a ---- and lose it's good oily qualities, so if that happened it would have happened over time, say 37 miles or so, and there would be no problems up until then (as the case was).

The shop was inside an exxon gas station and I think that there are 3 brothers than own it, and 2 of them were there when I went in with my complaint. These guys got so defensive you would have thought I accused them of being communists or something, makes me wonder if they get alot of complaints. I had the car towed to my house to wait it out, I think I'm going to have my aunt who is a lawyer write them a letter saying I'm going to sue them for damages to the motor and the suffering I incurred from being stranded at 1:30am when this bitch popped and see where that gets me.

Unfortunately I don't have the facilities, equipment, or time to do a swap myself. Also unfortunately I have not done anything to enhance the performance of this car so it was no fun when it went.

Also, since it was so cold out it could have been smoking a little and nobody driving behind me would have noticed because it might have just looked like steam.

stealthiskey 03-02-2009 08:11 PM

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stock camry's don't break. quick lube shops are bullshit.

Hitchhikkr 03-02-2009 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by stealthiskey
stock camry's don't break. quick lube shops are bullshit.

Yes, the camry do break. In fact, they spin rod bearings at 120k-140k miles like ------- clockwork. The stock oil pressure is too low (just like the Mseries...) and the bearing clearances are too damn loose from the factory. Not to mention the S-series were designed to run on 20w-50 (clearances and such) yet most never see anything heavier than 10w-30.

Apart from the 7Mgte, the 5S is quite possibly the worst motor toyota ever built.

OP, you only had a few thousand miles left on it anyway.

The genI 5S isnt quite as bad, as it doesnt contain the oil-pressure robbing balance shaft unit under the crank (98-). But still not that great. An oil pump bypass shim and a 40 weight oil go along way to the longevity of a 5s.

Dude, like Rawr said, just go slap another S motor in there, and go down the road. When it spins a bearing, slap another in. You bought a camry. Thats what you get.

Guy-Fast 03-02-2009 08:38 PM

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When I say smoking I mean a ------ GANG of SMOKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE not steam. Like broken ringlands on every cylinder. The car will smoke like a ----------er just driving. Its impossible for you not to have noticed it unless your blind or cant smell.




All that extra oil has to go somewhere if thats your theory and guess what it burns off and alot and guess where it goes out the exhaust.




stealthiskey 03-02-2009 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Robb
Not to mention the S-series were designed to run on 20w-50 (clearances and such) yet most never see anything heavier than 10w-30.

That's perfect! ask them what oil they used and when they say 10w-30 tell them they weren't following recommended specs and its their fault. I mean I agree, just let it slide and get another motor, it's probably not worth the headache of bitching, but if you do choose that route there's your claim. Breaking on the way home from the shop is pretty suspicious, if nothing short of a flashing sign saying "hey we fucked up your car"

Guy-Fast 03-02-2009 08:48 PM

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Again Im having a hard time believing quicky lube ruined this motor. Overfilling motors with way to much oil the car is so obviously there is something wrong starting it driving for has long has you did is not happening



When this happened when my Tard friend decided to try to fill a honda with 7 quarts we went around the block like 2 minutes of driving and the smoke cloud followed us and could be seen down the block well after we pulled the uber JDM powered VTECHHHHHHH eg6 into the Super garage of awesomeness.




Hitchhikkr 03-02-2009 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by chris
Again Im having a hard time believing quicky lube ruined this motor. Overfilling motors with way to much oil the car is so obviously there is something wrong starting it driving for has long has you did is not happening



When this happened when my Tard friend decided to try to fill a honda with 7 quarts we went around the block like 2 minutes of driving and the smoke cloud followed us and could be seen down the block well after we pulled the uber JDM powered VTECHHHHHHH eg6 into the Super garage of awesomeness.




I agree with chris. The motor has such a piss-poor track record, the process of changing the oil could have drained the oil pickup completely, forcing the motor to re-prime itself. If it was on edge to begin with, the lack of oil pressure from the change on startup might have been the straw that broke the camel's back. Just a thought.

R-MAK 03-02-2009 09:07 PM

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It was Spenser you dumb fucks. The thread is still on the first page that I made. Hi Kyle lol.

schim187 03-02-2009 11:11 PM

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i tow a lot of cars within a couple of days of getting their oil changed at valvoline, jiffy lube, etc...if it's a chain store, they def should have insurance...most of the time the problem is that the oil drain plug falls out and all the oil runs out of the motor while cruising down the road...you are definitely going to have a harder time getting these guys to replace your motor if its a self owned buisness--and that's typical that they would become offensive...they probably do oil changes all day long and this is their source of income-they don't want to be told that they suck at life. That's low miles, but I'd disassemble yourself and see what happened :S

E-b0la 03-03-2009 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by chris
When I say smoking I mean a ------ GANG of SMOKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE not steam. Like broken ringlands on every cylinder. The car will smoke like a ----------er just driving. Its impossible for you not to have noticed it unless your blind or cant smell.




All that extra oil has to go somewhere if thats your theory and guess what it burns off and alot and guess where it goes out the exhaust.




I overfilled my dad's honda lawn tractor once. Not a lot but enough to where it would smoke like a mother fucker out the exhaust if i went on an incline or bank with it.

I'm talking like THICK CLOUDS out the exhaust. Massive amounts. I thought I blew the engine or something.

B20x 03-03-2009 10:41 PM

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With all the stoopid idiots we have at work we have yet to buy a engine. How hard is it to tighten a drain plug and make sure the oil level is correct? It did happen before I worked there though

Honda16hb 03-04-2009 08:15 PM

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Hi travis.

I put the car on craigslist for $500. you wouldn't believe how many beaners and other foreign nationals e-mailed me about it, 40 e-mails in 24 hours and not one of the with perfect grammar or spelling. The first one to actually come through on coming to see the car offered $450 cash and I took it. Good bye toyota camry, you will be missed, especially when it's raining and I'm riding my bike to or from work.

Jorsher 03-04-2009 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by B20x
With all the stoopid idiots we have at work we have yet to buy a engine. How hard is it to tighten a drain plug and make sure the oil level is correct? It did happen before I worked there though

Mother had her scheduled maintenance done at the Honda dealership.

Parked it in the garage.

I went in the garage, puddle of oil on the floor.

Backed the car up, and they put the oil plug on but it was as loose as my ex. Surprised it stayed in.

TurboGuy 03-04-2009 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Jorsher
Mother had her scheduled maintenance done at the Honda dealership.

Parked it in the garage.

I went in the garage, puddle of oil on the floor.

Backed the car up, and they put the oil plug on but it was as loose as my ex. Surprised it stayed in.

It usually takes a few days, sometimes weeks for a plug to work its way out if its left loose.


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