General Discussion Off-Topic Discussion and Enlightenment

I-6 Vs. V-6

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 10-14-2005, 01:51 PM
  #31  
0.5 BAR
 
turboj0hn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 144
Default Re: I-6 Vs. V-6

Must have been that backwoods education that made it hard for everyone to understand. Explaination is key.
turboj0hn is offline  
Old 10-14-2005, 02:18 PM
  #32  
1.5 BAR
 
baldur's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 1,194
Default Re: I-6 Vs. V-6

The piston is accelerated hundreds of g's when the engine is turning, gravity is 1g.
The rod is pulling the piston against the cylinder walls very hard hundreds of times per second. Sorry but it's not going to care about gravity.
baldur is offline  
Old 10-14-2005, 03:20 PM
  #33  
0.0 BAR
 
jinxy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 0
Default Re: I-6 Vs. V-6

Originally Posted by 45psi
Originally Posted by random-strike
Originally Posted by baldur
Originally Posted by random-strike
Originally Posted by ghettoturbo
think about it...each side of a v is an inline 3...so i doubt it loads the walls any different unless the design of the specific engine has a worse rod angle...at least thats how i understand it, im sure im wrong
Originally Posted by baldur
V engines are not different than straight engines when it comes to loading the pistons...


im sorry but you're both wrong, please understand i said cylinder walls not pistons. please notice that when a V engine rotates it is moving into the cylinder wall rather than straight up or down. and on the power stroke the piston is moving down at an angle thus putting more stress on the wall rather than moving down in a straight line

Don't you realise that the rod pulls the piston into the side of the cylinder wall anyway? And with more than a hundred times more force than gravity does.
The cylinders are also not off-center.
the rot roatates on the pin. dont blieve me then. ask larry at endyn if V engines put more stress on cylinder walls rather than inline engines. MAYBE IM WRONG!
Johnny, your picture makes perfect sense. for those who still dont get it: think about it. an inline 6 will never see the static side load that a V does. why?


you can see that on a i6 the static gravity pushes straight down towards the crank. On a v6, its pushes the piston up against the cylinderwall.
the stress on a v engine is going to be on the top of the piston from oil starvation. the oil is going to run to the bottom of the cylender and its going to keep it protected. listen to baldur.
jinxy is offline  
Old 10-14-2005, 03:37 PM
  #34  
1.5 BAR
 
baldur's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 1,194
Default Re: I-6 Vs. V-6

Originally Posted by rawr
the stress on a v engine is going to be on the top of the piston from oil starvation. the oil is going to run to the bottom of the cylender and its going to keep it protected.
We have a winner.
baldur is offline  
Old 10-14-2005, 05:58 PM
  #35  
0.0 BAR
 
J-SMITH69's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 0
Default Re: I-6 Vs. V-6

Originally Posted by krustindumm
Originally Posted by baldur
Originally Posted by rawr
the stress on a v engine is going to be on the top of the piston from oil starvation. the oil is going to run to the bottom of the cylender and its going to keep it protected.
We have a winner.
because there isn't a cloud of oil vapor in the crankcase or what? It is going to stay lubricated just as well as the lower cylinder wall. Plus your assuming the engine is never accelerated in any direction. Turn a corner and a inline engine will have (if your lucky) 1G of side thrust as well.

even with your theory the piston still has a horizontal surface for oil to collect on.

we can already prove through physics that there is no advantage for torque or power production, or for oiling. This leaves vibratoin, anyone care to take a guess which is more balanced?
there is no guessing. inline engines obviously
J-SMITH69 is offline  
Old 10-14-2005, 10:36 PM
  #36  
0.0 BAR
 
J-SMITH69's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 0
Default Re: I-6 Vs. V-6

i think the verdict is who cares, and we're all stupid and nothing matters except the wrx can never lose
J-SMITH69 is offline  
Old 10-15-2005, 06:16 AM
  #37  
1.5 BAR
 
baldur's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 1,194
Default Re: I-6 Vs. V-6

Originally Posted by krustindumm
Originally Posted by baldur
Originally Posted by rawr
the stress on a v engine is going to be on the top of the piston from oil starvation. the oil is going to run to the bottom of the cylender and its going to keep it protected.
We have a winner.
because there isn't a cloud of oil vapor in the crankcase or what? It is going to stay lubricated just as well as the lower cylinder wall. Plus your assuming the engine is never accelerated in any direction. Turn a corner and a inline engine will have (if your lucky) 1G of side thrust as well.

even with your theory the piston still has a horizontal surface for oil to collect on.

we can already prove through physics that there is no advantage for torque or power production, or for oiling. This leaves vibratoin, anyone care to take a guess which is more balanced?
Well, engines see the most wear during cranking. When the engine sits it's likely to drain more oil from the up side of the cylinder than the down side. When the engine is running it's not an issue.

And an inline 6 is more balanced. If you look at large diesels, most of them are inline 6 until they get to about 12 liters of displacement, then they usually go V12.
baldur is offline  
Old 10-15-2005, 01:15 PM
  #38  
1.5 BAR
 
krustindumm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,037
Default Re: I-6 Vs. V-6

so the totally verticle surfaces of an inline engine are not going to drain the oil off?
krustindumm is offline  
Old 10-16-2005, 02:27 AM
  #39  
1.5 BAR
 
FURACERMAN's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 824
Default Re: I-6 Vs. V-6

It more depends on the amount of journals per 360* of crank. Most V6 have 3 journals, as opposed to an inline 6 having 6 journals. The more journals per 360* of crank, the smoother the motor. That is because you don't have as much time in between power strokes for friction to slow the rotating assembly down. Look at it like there's a more constant power supply than in a V6.
FURACERMAN is offline  
Old 10-16-2005, 07:19 AM
  #40  
3.0 BAR
 
Ravage70's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 5,933
Default Re: I-6 Vs. V-6

i just wanna add something about the 350z
they really just picked the v6 because thats the cheapest, most widely used engine they have in their new cars

its really all about the money
why waste money and time on r&d again when u can just use whats there and proven to work
Ravage70 is offline  



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:21 AM.