How to Drift course 202 (advanced)
03-02-2003, 01:37 PM
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Re:How to Drift course 202 (advanced)
yeah japanese drifting competition.. you try and pass the opponent.... doesn't it look hard as ---- to do? =)
mmmm skyline vs s15 looked like the signal auto one
yeah that jun lemon evo went completely sideways!!!
DON"T EVER DRIFT IN ANY CAR except RWD and AWD!!!
FF cars you will lose the back end and you can not control your drift... and you can't counter steer because you can't catch up to the backend... this is called a SKID =)
mmmm skyline vs s15 looked like the signal auto one
yeah that jun lemon evo went completely sideways!!!
DON"T EVER DRIFT IN ANY CAR except RWD and AWD!!!
FF cars you will lose the back end and you can not control your drift... and you can't counter steer because you can't catch up to the backend... this is called a SKID =)
03-02-2003, 01:45 PM
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Re:How to Drift course 202 (advanced)
OK, now this thread is speaking my language..
First off, you're making drifting sound like you just pop onto the street and do it. No. What you'll end up do is a power slide. What's the difference? You're you're using the torque of your motor to have your car pulled/pushed through the corner.
What they're doing in that those videos takes years upon YEARS to master. Parallel drifting? Come on..
Plus, there are A LOT of drifting techniques. The setup of your suspension HIGHLY dictates whether you'll drift, or power slide. It's not something that a lot of people who "drag" know how to do. Plus, the setups for drag and drift are completely different. As are the setups between drift and autoX, and autoX and circuit..
I wouldn't recommend just going out and trying to "drift", you'll break something if you don't understand the concepts behind what you're trying to make your car do, and how to properly achieve those characteristics behind that task.
But.. cool vids.
If you want to see A LOT of phat Lancer Drifting.. (My favorite.. AWD Turbo. Muahahah) check out http://www.lancer-evo.net/html/video.html
This one is particularly interesting. http://www.lancer-evo.net/video/download/video-124.zip
First off, you're making drifting sound like you just pop onto the street and do it. No. What you'll end up do is a power slide. What's the difference? You're you're using the torque of your motor to have your car pulled/pushed through the corner.
What they're doing in that those videos takes years upon YEARS to master. Parallel drifting? Come on..
Plus, there are A LOT of drifting techniques. The setup of your suspension HIGHLY dictates whether you'll drift, or power slide. It's not something that a lot of people who "drag" know how to do. Plus, the setups for drag and drift are completely different. As are the setups between drift and autoX, and autoX and circuit..
I wouldn't recommend just going out and trying to "drift", you'll break something if you don't understand the concepts behind what you're trying to make your car do, and how to properly achieve those characteristics behind that task.
But.. cool vids.
If you want to see A LOT of phat Lancer Drifting.. (My favorite.. AWD Turbo. Muahahah) check out http://www.lancer-evo.net/html/video.htmlThis one is particularly interesting. http://www.lancer-evo.net/video/download/video-124.zip
03-02-2003, 02:40 PM
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Re:How to Drift course 202 (advanced)
turboef9, i think you're giving them too much credit, it isn't hard to drift. its acually really easy. if you start to get too far out in a corner, you just give it more gas and you tighten down.
03-02-2003, 02:51 PM
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Re:How to Drift course 202 (advanced)
Ya.. and if you're driving an FF? You give it more gas and you'll grip and shoot forward, ending the slide. In FR you give it more gas, un oh, low and behold, your inertia will actually push your spinning tires out further.
If you "go out to far", the way to bring it back in an FF, you actually modulate the slide with your clutch. A combination of popping the clutch actually upsets the drive line, and creates the throttle control that keep the tires pulling you through the drift.
In an FR, you modulate the eBrake, and throttle TOGETHER to keep the slide in effect. And depending on if you're too understeered, you slip the clutch..
So, don't pretend that drifting is some "anyone can do" driving technique. If you REALLY want to get into it.. I'm sure Jeff would create a Drift Forum, and I can go into detail..
If you "go out to far", the way to bring it back in an FF, you actually modulate the slide with your clutch. A combination of popping the clutch actually upsets the drive line, and creates the throttle control that keep the tires pulling you through the drift.
In an FR, you modulate the eBrake, and throttle TOGETHER to keep the slide in effect. And depending on if you're too understeered, you slip the clutch..
So, don't pretend that drifting is some "anyone can do" driving technique. If you REALLY want to get into it.. I'm sure Jeff would create a Drift Forum, and I can go into detail..
03-02-2003, 03:30 PM
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Re:How to Drift course 202 (advanced)
what a bunch of crap turboef9.
those japs have to pull the ebrake to break the tires loose? cause thats all i does is lock the rear tires. to make them slide. why not hit the gas?
i do it all the time in the maro. if i go into a turn too fast, the *** end will start to slide. then you correct yourself, and give it some gas, even if you aren't getting traction, you will get pushed through the corner.
if you're give it gas and you GRIP. you can't dift in that car. drifting is a perfect balance between loss of traction and having enough to be able to direct the car to where you want to go.
err, i think you've been playing to much gran turismo. pressing the cluth will just make the tires grip and pull you to where you're steering. why not just let off the gas a little, and you will start to get better traction and move slowly towards the way you want to go. do you think you have time to sit there and pop the clutch in and out around a small corner?
why would you have to use the ebrake? why not just put the hammer down? or maybe these cars can't brake the tires loose? i doubt it.
i reason you see that guy PULLING THE EBRAKE, is because he wants to drift when that car SHOULDN'T DRIFT. those guys were doing that for show, or for whatever japanese "drift" race they are doing. the only cars that should drift are can that can't handle, EG muscle cars. even a 800hp FR supra shouldn't drift. if he starts to drift (not on purpose) he is a ***** and giving it too much gas.
those japs have to pull the ebrake to break the tires loose? cause thats all i does is lock the rear tires. to make them slide. why not hit the gas?
i do it all the time in the maro. if i go into a turn too fast, the *** end will start to slide. then you correct yourself, and give it some gas, even if you aren't getting traction, you will get pushed through the corner.
Ya.. and if you're driving an FF? You give it more gas and you'll grip and shoot forward, ending the slide. In FR you give it more gas, un oh, low and behold, your inertia will actually push your spinning tires out further.
If you "go out to far", the way to bring it back in an FF, you actually modulate the slide with your clutch. A combination of popping the clutch actually upsets the drive line, and creates the throttle control that keep the tires pulling you through the drift.
In an FR, you modulate the eBrake, and throttle TOGETHER to keep the slide in effect. And depending on if you're too understeered, you slip the clutch..
i reason you see that guy PULLING THE EBRAKE, is because he wants to drift when that car SHOULDN'T DRIFT. those guys were doing that for show, or for whatever japanese "drift" race they are doing. the only cars that should drift are can that can't handle, EG muscle cars. even a 800hp FR supra shouldn't drift. if he starts to drift (not on purpose) he is a ***** and giving it too much gas.
03-02-2003, 03:47 PM
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Re:How to Drift course 202 (advanced)
bottom line, drifting is a balance between traction, and no traction.
just enough traction to be able to move the car in the direction you want to go. and not enough traction to be able to slide.
not poping the clutch, pulling the ebrake. none of that ---- has anything to do with drifting. MAYBE when you're in a car that SHOULD NEVER DRIFT. and you HAVE to pull the ebrake to start to slide. thats where it comes into play. and thats not real drifting. thats a show, or a so called "difting" race.
watch the junevo video. i don't see him POPING THE CLUTCH, i see him doing exactly what i said. he is giving it gas when he has to tighten up, and letting off a little when he was to slide more. plain and simple.
just enough traction to be able to move the car in the direction you want to go. and not enough traction to be able to slide.
not poping the clutch, pulling the ebrake. none of that ---- has anything to do with drifting. MAYBE when you're in a car that SHOULD NEVER DRIFT. and you HAVE to pull the ebrake to start to slide. thats where it comes into play. and thats not real drifting. thats a show, or a so called "difting" race.
watch the junevo video. i don't see him POPING THE CLUTCH, i see him doing exactly what i said. he is giving it gas when he has to tighten up, and letting off a little when he was to slide more. plain and simple.
03-02-2003, 04:30 PM
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Re:How to Drift course 202 (advanced)
Johnny, Drifting is not simple in a FWD car at all.. in fact I have done it a few times on the corse, but not on the street. Its pretty known that terminal understeer is a very common problem with FWD cars. I dont know what you are experiencing in your 1g, its probably just suspension slop, that makes you feel like a drift, hah
No, we arnt creating a drifting forum.. lol
Jeff
No, we arnt creating a drifting forum.. lol
Jeff
