dragon

thats really how i feel. well more to the point is that we have our own problem why don't we fix that first then blowing all this money to fix others that we fucked up. I really think we need to look at all the ---- in our own country before we go poking our noses with someones elses.

J-SMITH69

funny you left a lot of the story out.

Prior to World War I, under the Anglo-Ottoman Convention of 1913, Kuwait was considered to be an autonomous caza within Ottoman Iraq. Following the war, Kuwait fell under British rule and later became an independent emirate. However, Iraqi officials did not accept the legitimacy of Kuwaiti independence or the authority of the Kuwaiti Emir. Iraq never recognized Kuwait's sovereignty and in the 1960s, the United Kingdom deployed troops to Kuwait to deter an Iraqi annexation.


Former Iraqi President Saddam HusseinDuring the Iran-Iraq War of the 1980s, Kuwait was allied with Iraq, largely due to desiring Iraqi protection from Shi'ite Iran. After the war, Iraq was heavily indebted to several Arab countries, including a $14 billion debt to Kuwait. Iraq hoped to repay its debts by raising the price of oil through OPEC oil production cuts, but instead, Kuwait increased production, lowering prices, in an attempt to leverage a better resolution of their border dispute. In addition, Iraq began to accuse Kuwait of slant drilling into neighboring Iraqi oil fields, and furthermore charged that it had performed a collective service for all Arabs by acting as a buffer against Iran (Persia) and that therefore Kuwait and Saudi Arabia should negotiate or cancel Iraq's war debts. Iraqi President Saddam Hussein's primary two-fold justification for the war was a blend of the assertion of Kuwaiti territory being an Iraqi province arbitrarily cut off by imperialism, with the use of annexation as retaliation for the "economic warfare" Kuwait had waged through slant drilling into Iraq's oil supplies while it had been under Iraqi protection.

The war with Iran had also seen the destruction of almost all of Iraq's port facilities on the Persian Gulf, cutting off Iraq's main trade outlet. Many in Iraq, expecting a resumption of war with Iran in the future, felt that Iraq's security could only be guaranteed by controlling more of the Persian Gulf Coast, including more secure ports. Kuwait thus made a tempting target.

Ideologically, the invasion of Kuwait was justified through calls to Arab nationalism. Kuwait was described as a natural part of Iraq carved off by British imperialism. The annexation of Kuwait was described as a step on the way to greater Arab union. Other reasons were given as well. Hussein presented it as a way to restore the empire of Babylon in addition to the Arab nationalist rhetoric. The invasion was also closely tied to other events in the Middle East. The First Intifada by the Palestinians was raging, and most Arab states, including Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and Egypt, were dependent on western alliances. Saddam thus presented himself as the one Arab statesman willing to stand up to Israel and the U.S.

In late July, 1990, as negotiations between Iraq and Kuwait stalled, Iraq massed troops on Kuwait's borders and summoned American ambassador April Glaspie for an unanticipated meeting with Iraqi President Saddam Hussein. Two transcripts of that meeting have been produced, both of them controversial. According to the transcripts, Saddam outlined his grievances against Kuwait, while promising that he would not invade Kuwait before one more round of negotiations. In the version published by The New York Times on September 23, 1990, Glaspie expressed concern over the troop buildup, but went on to say:

We have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border disagreement with Kuwait. I was in the American Embassy in Kuwait during the late '60s. The instruction we had during this period was that we should express no opinion on this issue and that the issue is not associated with America. James Baker has directed our official spokesmen to emphasize this instruction. We hope you can solve this problem using any suitable methods via [Chadli] Klibi [then Arab League General Secretary] or via President Mubarak. All that we hope is that these issues are solved quickly.
Some have interpreted these statements as signalling a tacit approval of invasion, though no evidence of this has been presented. Although the State Department did not confirm the authenticity of these transcripts, U.S. sources say that she had handled everything "by the book" (in accordance with the US's neutrality on the Iraq-Kuwait issue) and had not signaled Iraqi President Saddam Hussein any approval for defying the Arab League's Jeddah crisis squad, which had conducted the negotiations. Many believe that Saddam's expectations may have been influenced by a perception that the US was not interested in the issue, for which the Glaspie transcript is merely an example, and that he may have felt so in part because of U.S. support for the reunification of Germany, another act that he considered to be nothing more than the nullification of an artificial, internal border. Others, such as Kenneth Pollack, believe he had no such illusion, or that he simply underestimated the extent of American military response.

At the break of dawn on August 2, 1990, Iraqi troops crossed the Kuwaiti border with armor and infantry, occupying strategic posts throughout the country, including the Emir's palace. The Kuwaiti Army was quickly overwhelmed, though they bought enough time for the Kuwaiti Air Force to flee to Saudi Arabia. The heaviest fighting occurred at the Emir's Palace, where members of the royal guard fought a rear guard action to allow the royal family time to escape. A cousin of the Emir, who commanded the guard, was amongst those killed. Troops looted medical and food supplies, detained thousands of civilians and took over the media. Iraq detained thousands of Western visitors as hostages and later attempted to use them as bargaining chips. After a brief puppet government headed by Alaa Hussein Ali was installed, Iraq annexed Kuwait. Hussein then installed a new Iraqi provincial governor, describing this as "liberation" from the Kuwaiti Emir; this was largely dismissed as war propaganda.

buk9tp

whats left?


am i that idiot kid from wherever knows? :blushes:
men in washington? non politicians?

they dont give a rats *** bout this country. and thats why this country is fucked up. they only care about themselves. and how much money they get.

winning politician = the one with more money.


doesnt. but there was no threat from saddam. i take that back. it wasnt even a pre emptive strike.

they didnt kill anyone. in OIF infact. even there launching isnt a fact. theres no proof. no one was killed. but since saddam didnt deny it. we assume he did.

i find that hard to beileve given the way its started off. with the first defense lawyers having been killed/fled and ramzy clark being denied the right to speak at his clients trial. the fact is. that judge was not elected by the people. he was just put into place. so his rulings should have no effect.


there is a threat. and then there is an imminent threat. which one is our priority?

J-SMITH69

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/r...i?ArtNum=71517

J-SMITH69

curious what you would do different? im sure it would lead to WWIII

isolationism by the United States = world wars.

proven twice so far

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buk9tp

they found TRACES of mustard gas. mustard gas which was prolly given to him by us. chemicals dumped into the euphraties? checmicals like that dont just dissipate. theyre would have been lots of evidence that the weapons inspectors could have taken. i.e dead fish. no aquatic life. and what not, biochemical warheads turned out to be plain artillery shells. vials of biochemical substance? where the fuxors are they?

scrubbing down does not remove evidence. the most minute amount. in the smallest of creveses is enough to be picked up by equipment. mobil weapon laboritories were a ------- joke. looked like some kid drew em with crayons, and the ones they found. they showed the soldiers walking arround on em with no protection or anything. yeah. we just fouind a mobile weapon laboratory lets jump on with no protection.

ten confirmed finding by troops of wmd's LOLLOLOLOLOL

i like that last part.

"In addition, the troops also found links to al Qaeda and to the September 11 hijackers."

once again. this is funny. troops find links between al qaeda and september the 11th?

IRAQ HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH SIPTEEMBER THEA ELEVENFTH

we all know he was a dick head. just cause he kicked out weapons inspectors doesnt mean he was planning on attacking anyone. i bet he couldnt take a **** outside without beeing seen on satalite images. everything was monitored. he was nothing more than a THUG.

Tom-Guy

Wow, I think I was just owned by a cut and paste from a website.

J-SMITH69

end of thread, none of us know for sure.

if you both are experts go to washington and work for the DoD or State Department and quit whoring threads with your opinions