Heard of Ed's Racing Heads??? Need Some advice PICS *56K = dirt nap*
 

So here is the lowdown, my other build head is a 50lb paperweight


Some kid PM's me with this head saying making him an offer. 1 bolt hole is marred and he said it was bought from some high boost guy on HT(dont know who)


Full of ferrea(which is what I want) .5mm oversized intake, 1mm oversize exhaust

Here is the PM's


*******Cliff Notes******
-Need a new head
- This guy has a head
- head has marred cam cap hole by dizzy
- ported by some place in philly
- full of ferrea ----
- OR buy a new virgin head, get it ported by a legit friend for $800(assembled) + Buy new valves

1)
This head was ported by Ed's Racing Heads from Philadelphia for forced induction. The head has a complete Ferrea valvetrain (guides, valves, springs, retainers, lock's and locators). It is .5mm oversize on the intake valves and 1mm on the exhaust.

2)
I bought the head last year, used from a guy in the US called DaveF on Honda-Tech. He had it on a high boost EG hatch. I don't know all the details for sure on his build. You could probably find all the info if you did a search on Honda-Tech.

When he sold it to me, he told me that there were 2 broken bolts in the cam cap attachment where the #5 intake cam cap/distributor attaches to the block.

What I didn't know till today was that the #5 intake cam cap is also scored pretty good. I would still use it if I were building a B series motor. I was going to use it for a B20Vtec supercharged motor, but I decided to stick with my boosted D series built motor.

I removed one of the broken bolts already. The other one is giving me trouble.

I have 24 pictures of the head which are included below. The red valve cover and CF spark plug cover as well as the Vtec solenoid (missing the gasket and the Vtec pressure sensor) are also included. Make me an offer.



3)
There were no cams in the head when I bought it. The hole has a piece of broken bolt in it. I tried to remove it, but could not get it out, and decided to stop before I mangled the head.

If I were keeping the head, I would continue to remove the bolt. If I damaged the bolt hole so that it became unusable for a 6mm bolt (OEM size) I would open it up to an 8mm bolt and re-thread the hole. The bolt position is not torque critical as it is just holding the end of the cam cap on, and providing support for the distributor. The actual torque for the cam is provided by the 8mm bolt a little further along that particular cam cap, and those bolts are fine.

As far as the cam cap damage goes, I was going to smooth it out, and ensure that there were no areas that made the diameter "smaller" than the OEM clearance as these clearances are not as critical as crank and rod bearings clearances.




here is pictures of the head Opinions?

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Opinions? PM'd DaveF from HT

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I know ed's went out of business. I saw one of his heads they have minimal work done to them basically just clean up on casting and a valve job. In reality they will perform like a type r oem head

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davef is a cocky ------- who built a hotrod car, not sure if thats the head from that car but it was a hatchback. the car was a failure. i saw it run once at etown it was the slowest car in the class.

how much is it? looks like it had oil starvation unless its dirt cheap i wouldnt bother

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if I built another B series honda, id get one of these
http://www.theoldone.com/articles/Diesel_Head/index.htm

http://www.theoldone.com/components/...es%20Specs.htm

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he said make him an offer. I figure I would offer him $600.


Think this head would help me get my 700hp goal? And oil starvation explain this to me please :1

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i wouldnt pay 600...

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Yes, Racing heads by Ed is closed, but Ed is a very good at what he does. I know of 1 car in particular that won the Nhra Sfwd class a few years back that was using his heads. I know ed personally, after he closed up shop he went to work for Headgames in NJ, and Then for Bill(good friend of mine thats local to me) at Xtreme Cylinder Heads(argueably the best import head guy in the world). So i wouldn't doubt his work any. I'd let him port my honda head(actually he has).

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oil starvation as in that cap didnt get enough or any oil and was spinning dry. i had a car at my shop once that arrived running but when they went to leave the motor would no turn over sounded like it was locked up. took off the cam caps and viola, that same journal was scored as ----. so i ended up looking at it and realizing they put the oil rails on top of the caps backwards and the oil ports where not getting oil to the journals.

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+2 for DAVEF being a coclicker.



TBH:

Looks kinda fucked up, but it also looks as if the intake side has had the port floors worked.... A bit more than a simple deflashing by the looks of the shape. WExhausts have definately been done too (even with the shitty pics I can see that) The cam caps concern me, as does the mangledness in the pics....

Ive not heard of him but that dont mean ----, if Sewell has and reccomends him. IOd take it as gosp[elk and believe he knows what hes doing...

IDK man, Id build my own ---- and if you want a ported head start from scratch so you KNOW what the ---- your getting if I were you...

Although I dont have to much porting done to mine, I started freom the ground up and built it anywyas vs buying someone elses junk to be safe. SO far it has served me well making that decision.




TurboHF has a GSR head here in the area locally he cantr GIVE away... Cal;l me tonight or pm dustin and maaybe i can go pick it up for you... Then you can build your own and KNOW what the ---- youre getting.

Thats my .02

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BUy a used head/Fresh new parts is your best route

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Levi, get the gsr head from BDVT

Farrell did heads for the factory Porsche race team, between him and Dave, you can't find or BUY much better head work. If Dave is gonna do it for $800 you have a hell of a deal. Look at the work that just went into your turbine on the hx52.

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true I guess................................... Thats why I am asking opinions.

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quit being an chin licker

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Hmmmmmmmm Who can get some 84mm CP Pistons & rings, GSR Cometic HG, and some ------- ferrea oversized valves?



Apparently Laskey is not willing to do ---- for me

Needing some HMT discount for this purchase know any good suppliers?

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You spend that kind of cash on a used ------- head and I'l going to get a green card, go to seattle, FORCE SPIKER to drive my drunk ass to to your place of residense or your sisters"my first choice" abuse the fuckout of her pick eye and go back to the original plan of headin to your place breaking gears all the way with the final push into your drive way so I can knock on the door, YOU ANSEWER and you recieve a quick swing of the leg into your peanuts. With a dirty 4th leaving rooster tails of snow into your moms ----.
YOU FOLLOW ME?

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Sorry this has nothing to do with Levi's problem but...

Porsche "factory" race teams do all their machine work in-house, in Lepzig Germany; its part of the deal when you buy a cup car ($250K base price). Not to mention every cylinder head from every factory cup car in the last 10 years flow's enough for well over 500 whp in sub 4.0L displacement naturally aspirated form.

Not saying that guy doesnt do good work, but I highly question that claim.

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I have only met Farrell a couple times, but iirc he worked for Porsche in the 80's. I am sure Dave could fill in those details.

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LEVI CALL ME WHEN YOU GET A CHANCE AND LETS TALK THIS OUT.

Dustin has a head, i can go pick it up. Hell give us a DEAL on it. You can come get it whenever you like, or you can just deal with him yourself... Hes TOTALY legit...


AND a JEW

Jews and Indians... Its like made to be

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Spike? You have communication skillz NO MUFFIN WAY YO!

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Lol he talks like this, Hey its me talk.......... Ok i am a super programming nerd and must continue my nerd skills in order to make money



Holla later



pretty much exact conversation

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What, he's not warrantying his failure head?

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buy a zc head and some orange chicken homo

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My brother has some new 84 or 84.5mm wiseco with no rings, not sure of the exact size yet, will need to ask him. They were put into the block and the shop threw away the boxes for them. These are for normal length rods, and won't work for the 2.2L stroker kits. They stuck out like 3/16 to 1/4" out from the sleeves, so they were never ran. PM me if you're interested in these.

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wtf..... Muffins.


and laskey wont help ----.

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He's not the man his father was.

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lol this is whatdavef had to say

I ran the head as I sold it and blah blah blah

Re: Your old Head
the hole is nothing to worry about, you can get the bolt out of it. i got rid of it for 850.00 i belive.


LOL

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so basically when I got this motor one piston had the rings lined up so there was no seal( leaving a couple thou oil streak down the side of the block) and there was styrafoam inside the block because of improper packaging. I emailed him and he had no reply to either.



When it came to fixing this problem he just passed the blame saying supertech wont give me money for a new head. and portflow wont do ---- because they dont care. Dave decided that he wanted to get the valves tested by a metalurgist to prove that it was a valve failure and not my human error, so Thats why I hadnt sent him my stuff yet.


I BELIEVE LASKEY SHOULD MAKE UP FOR THE PROBLEM THEY SOLD TO ME ( and to keep in mind i spent $7000-$9000 there)


I think that laskey should man up and give me some parts. Last email we exchanged




From: Mike Laskey (laskeyracing@gmail.com)
Sent: January 14, 2009 8:56:47 PM
To: Levi Neudorf (canadainguy2000@hotmail.com)

I was going to give you my labor to help out, that does not cost me a thing...just helps you. As for parts failing, you really are not helping me help you. All I asked for was for the broken parts so I could send them to ST. With out even doing that for me...I have no means to even get head parts for you. Some people/shops might just say well that's racing and racing parts...no warranty. I am NOT saying that, but like I said what I can do is give you cost on parts and if you wanted my help on the assembly, I would do that free of charge. Also I will have to collect duties before hand on any parts I send you. Last time on the engine, the duties were not paid on your end and Fedex ended up charging me your duties...a few hundred.



On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Levi Neudorf <canadainguy2000@hotmail.com> wrote:


Hey Mike,


I keep meaning to call you except I never seem to do it. So here is what I think, for the cost of me shipping my stuff down there doesnt make any sense. Last year you had told me that you would pay for labour and give me cost on parts to fix my motor, So i now ask you if you would give me some parts to fix my block. Maybe some pistons/rings/headgasket perhaps? I will have the pictures of my valves and the messed up retainers sent to you shortly. I will get my head done here in Canada instead of sending it to portflow again.

What are you willing to do for parts?


- Levi

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Laskey is a middle man. He doesnt touch the heads and I have a feeling he doesnt build the blocks either. Who the hell uses styrofoam to pack a motor. Industrial plastic and cardboard do the trick every time.




Last time I checked Laskey crx wasnt built by him. He's a rich kid who's daddy threw 100's of thousands his way to race start a business.



Keep trying to get something out of him but it is most likely a dead end street.

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I'd send him half the valvetrain -his request is fair in that respect - send the other half to be tested.

Yours isn't the first ST I've seen keel over, and I have no idea how their bandwagon hasn't been sunk yet.

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Look at skunk2's first 5000+ cams that trashed motors in 1999-2000. Look at them now. Its amazing they are even in business after that.

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Does anybody know of a place than can do sonic testing? Standard testing wont work with the friction welded valves.



JD?

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I thought that was Crower's fisrt run of B-VTEC cams? Or the OG LS cams that simply didn't make power, so they stole Webb's profiles.

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Plenty of people have the same opinion (probably more) about your friend Dave Hickman.

Endyne's new head is not a CDM copy of the copy that you can get at autozone...and he may be cocky, arrogant and full of a lot of stuff, but he has been pretty successful and if you get him chatting, he is fairly open to sharing ideas and giving good advice. More than most of the assholes you call these days and talk and talk and talk about everything they have ever done (10 years ago) and how cool they are, but basically its all bullshit and they arent really educating anyone, just tooting their own horn.

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You stuck him with a Duty/Tax bill and you expect him to help you out?

...I'd tell you to go ---- light socket if you were asking me for anything after sticking me with that, I dont blame him.

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Everything I've heard was old hat about DH vs Omniman. Given Omni's product line, uhm, I don't care who was right I'll side with the old man in the desert. It's especially easy for me to do so since I don't think I've ever read a single post he's ever made.

I can list seven questions - the last seven threads I made on the TOO board - that I asked him where he made this great big noise about how it was such a great question, typed 3-4 long paragraphs hinting at things and summing up that he'd get back to it if/when he had time. I found all of my answers in internal combustion engine engineering primers, and I can relate them to the layman in 2-4 sentences. So, if he's offered you a little basic observation that's great a lot of people can do that, too. But don't confuse it for being the font of ------- knowledge he sets himself up to be, he was summed best as a salesman of parts you can get elsewhere and no one's ever seen anything of his that ran anywhere near what it should given his opinion of himself.

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Dude get the parts and have the local machinest that have a good name in your area put that thing together. They are usually straight forward people that help with the little guy as long as you don't cheap out to the idiot looking for a break. ---- BIG BUILDERS. They'll give you the same thing as everyone else they've had come to them. Get a guy who has to look up specs and read whats best for you. It may cost you a lil more but your also talking about someone who hasn't got caught up in corporate bullshit about saving a buck. Local small time engine builders are the bomb. Not only from what me and widebody have where the guy backs his ---- up. But every dirt track guy I know leans on the local guys.

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lets get one thing straight, I dont know what he is talking about. There was only one fedex bill and that was for $74. I called up fedex and left them my CC and it went away so thats all I know.


If I spent BIG$$$$ at xenocron I expect you to help me out when your product fails and not blame it on the ------- resistors/chips you buy.


and I am buying dustins head

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+1

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ooo and Dave just got his new CNC mill, I see some craziness about to happen. O0