Havind 2nd thoughts
 

I just took my car to a performance shop because it is doing something weird. Well while I was there I started to talk to this guy that had a partly built gsr. So then he ask "So what are you planing to do to your CRX". I told him that I was going turbo. As soon as I told him that I have him and two other guys in my face trying to convince me that "all motor" is better,safer,faster, and cheaper. Well, now I'm not sure what I want. Turbo or all motor? ???

Comment welcome.

Ps- Sorry for the long post just trying to decided cause I want to have it done within the next month.

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ull be paying out the ass for all motor crap
u can make good power but triple ur estimated expenses

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when I first told a friend of mine about my turbo dreams he did nothing but tell me how I was going to break ----, and how he was just going to go all motor, now I'm helping him put together a turbo setup. all motor is fun, while you're getting your turbo kit pieced together. how often do the all motor guys talk about how awesome the sound of their turbo spooling is? or how funny it was when their bov scared the ---- out of someone?

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just for that go and buy the biggest turbo you can find and run it with no wg and no bov and youll be faster than the all motor -----s

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Faster, I'm not sure about that one, if you are using the exact same motor, a turbo setup would be faster for the same money spent.

Cheaper, I doubt it, unless they are thinking of a pre-fabed kit vs all motor parts, then maybe, but doing it our way, a turbo will be cheaper.

Better, that's just their opinion, is like debating domestic vs imports, you will never win.

Safer, probably. With an all motor setup you get the power you make and if you treat it decent it should hold fine. With a turbo setup you are always tempted on boosting higher, showing off and ----, and that could lead to blowing up the engine. But a good designed turbo system with good management would last long.

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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ damn thats what i was going to say :-\

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Ravage70- There quote for a partly built LS-vtec was $2400

Kyle- The funny thing is that I pieced out my friends turbo kit for his LS.

BLACK_DEL_SOL- That's what I was thinking but I'm not a person to do thigs out of the blue.

davcivic- Well I was thinking of going with TurboEdit and tuning it on the dyno. But these guys made it seem like I would spend $$$$ to make it run right.

What to do?

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2400 for what?
what cams and valvetrain are included?
what rods what pistons

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Hell no that's too much. My car with the afc hack runs like stock, idles like stock, but pulls hard. And I spend a total of maybe $1200 for everything.

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all motor is cool
turbo is cooler....

*turbo cost wise....projecteg(you dont know him, your a newb, but its cool) told me he spent $1,100 on his HM kit. Hes running 12psi, and in the mid 13sec range on a 99(?) SI.
-no fuel management.

*all motor, $1,100 would get you an ok head, if you have someone else do it. I said ok.

what kind of racing are you gonna do? what are your goals with it? street and drag racing? go turbo.
street and road/autoX go all motor.

reliability, sure all motor is more reliable. I dont have a turbo yet, but im already addicted to it.

it depends on how you look at things....

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Ravage70- $2400 Includes getting the block honed and hot taked, type-r pistons and rods. getting a b16 head and putting dual valve springs and titanium retainers and chipping the ecu.

sccaeg- yeah I do know who he is (not a newb)I just dont like to be post wore. ;) My plans for this car are for daily driver and track racing. Yeah I know what you mean I never had a turbo car my self but have a couple friends with turbo car that i've had the pleasure of riding on and i'm also addicted to turbo cars.

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if your going all motor why are you on HMT :P

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stock honda pistons are heavier than aftermarket performance ones

i would go with je or endyn pistons

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you know what's really weird is when you wake up at 5 pm, chug some black cherry koolaid; turn on the radio and plop down in front of the computer with a cig. Then you goto hmt and click on this post and notice that some fat cartoon dude is dancing to 'rock the casba', and not only that but some dude from blue oyster cult is banging away on a cow bell in the same rythm... and yet you have no idea what happened last night or how you made it home... COLLEGE ROCKS.

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Guys the point is that I dont really want to go all-motor i'm just having 2nd thoughts about going turbo. I guess what I want to hear is "Go turbo". lol. :P

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Go Turbo.

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I'll be honest with you, all motor will cost more money per HP than turbo will at the end. Both all motor and turbo can be "SAFE" setups depending on whos tuning it and how much boost you are running, etc. I would never build an all motor motor just because its not practical in terms of how much money you are going to spend and how much power you are going to get out of it. You could spend $2,500 on your all motor setup and a guy in a "stock" HMT turbo d16 crx will rip you another hole.

I've used those nitrous kits before and have been in a car that has 200 shot of nitrous... basically I love nitrous and never imagined turbo'ing my car. But I'm giving turbo a chance. Just turboed my b16, there are more things involved that just a turbo (thats what I found out, but I wanted it to be a reliable setup so replaced alot of the OEM parts with new parts)... I have to say I'm pretty damn happy with my setup at only 5-6psi... Feels like I'm shooting nitrous on every gear and "GAWD DAMN" that BLOW OFF SOUND SOUNDS SO NICE! I just love looking at the ricer next to me as my turbo is SPPOOOOOOLING (pssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssttttttttt!) and then "PSHSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!" I just look over to him with this "IN YOUR MOTHER FUCKEN FACE" look... :D

Anyways, I've seen the darkside and I dont think I'm turning back. Only thing for me to do now is get a less restrictive exhaust and boost it to 10psi and rape some ass... haha

(I hope this is turbo-gung hoe enough for ya... if not I'll get the cheerleaders! ahha )

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B16Drag- You make such good points. My main concern is reliability. Since this is my first turbo install i'm just scared (yeah I say scared so what) :P of not intalling the kit right and not knowing how to tune it right (even tough) xenocron offered to help me out with any Q's I had about using TE. I need peace of mind. lol.

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I've never boosted before and this is my first setup. Just make sure you take it slow and make a list of what to get and where to buy it. Replace things that you have the slightest doubt that it will last.

"Measure twice, cut once" applies in this situation. Make sure double check oil lines, exhaust gaskets, pipings etc. TRIPLE check if you have to... But the most important thing to do before doing anything is, make sure your engine is running well before you start... check your compression etc.

Good luck and drop me a message if you need anything. I'm more than happy to bestow upon you the knowledge that I've gained from HMT over the past 6-8months.

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i was scraed of blowing my engine but i found courage and one saturday morning i just said ---- it im going turbo,but by then i had already order all my stuff and was just waiting to do the install, and i went to work on my del sol. sunday afternoon i was driving around the block with no down pipe :-\ and melted my fan guard.man ---- a safe setup i raped the ---- out of my tiny ass d15 with stock everything,all i had was a fmu ,stock exhaust, smic, ran a t3 with no wg making 7.5 psi and a bosch bov .i ------- cut my heater hose put a t in it and ran it to the t3, for an oil feed i used a 1/8 in copper pipe teed from the pressure sensor. i didnt even put a screen on the t3. and man after all these dont do this or that you can blowup this or that my ---- could keep up with an eclispe and smoke civics but said to say the car was traded in for my lude when i was offered 3,000 i paid 2300 form a dealer ,and that bad boy had 168000 miles :-\ :-\ sorry for the long rant just had to say go for the turbo

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who cares if you pop a dseires? you can get a new block on here for 100 bucks.

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I have just got my turbo together running Uberdata. It ran 5.5psi and it pulled ok. I am very please even though it smoked like a crop duster because my turbo is junk. Moral of the story is that I have tasted the boost and it ROCKS! I am getting my turbo exchanged from the guy I bought it from. He has tons of them and said he would stand by it and he is! I cant wait to get my new one.

GO BOOST!

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"all motor" is just another way of saying "limp dick"
N/A engines SUCK! ;D

With "all motor" you spend a shitload more to get a lot less power and a lot more fragile engine.

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get a turbo

its what you want. face your fears. how else are you gonna live?

I am working on my turbo set-up, its just taking forever.

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B16Drag- I will keep everything you said in mind. Thanks.

Doofnoil- What??> D series. Nope B18.

baldur- Well they told me I should be around 215hp with the all-motor set up.

baldur- I agree they do suck.

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also compare torque when deciding between all motor and turbo! ;)

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in my experance if you want to make some real power al motor you have to know what your doijng more than a turbo. true someone could just go "im all motor" but i doubt they know much about what there doing and they dont understand turbo systems and dont know how to tune them. really people blowing up there turboed engine do some stupid ---- to blow them up.

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ONYX, I'll agree with you 100% but I'll push it a bit further...

All Honda owners (essentially) at one time was "All-Motor" and BOY am I glad I am NO LONGER!

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Ok. now that I'm back to my old self (all motor what??). I have decided that turbo is the best route to achieving my goal (getting in the 12's). Is there anybody with a daily driven car hitting 12's here? I need advice in what parts to get for my set-up. I will probably be installing my kit in 2-3 weeks.

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Lol All-motor 12 second car with a LS/VTEC....you would have to have done some serious weight reduction and a lot of fine tuning..more then a turboed 12 sec car.

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All motor is gay. Boost that bitch.
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if your hard on anything its going to blow no matter if its tottaly built to the max power and you have forged everything and it was built by a profesinal machineist to the smallest tollerence youl blow if if your hard on it. GO TURBO

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i think what they are really saying is all motor is how we can make the most money off of u

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all motor costs too much. it takes too much money and time for tuning and what not to make 215 all motor. unless u know what your doing. and your pushing ur motor just as hard all motor. word of advice when turbo. dont beat the ---- out of it. it'll come back and hit u. hahahaha. you will have no problems getting into twelves on a nice set of slicks. u have a b18c correct? good luck. TURBO IS THE ONLY WAY TO GO!!

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if you want turbo just buy a factory turbo'd car i think its a much better baseline cheaper in some areas....but thats just me though

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basically i see it, if you turbo that shop gets no money if you all motor, there shop gets all ur money :P

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Semnos- These guys have 12 sec. LS-Vtec cars and my car weighs less that one of there cars.

Dr.Boost- Yes. sir. :P

3sge- Good point.

biggmike- Most likely. (yes)

BoosTedZSix- nope. B18A but I think I can hit a high 12 with some slicks on 10PSI with a good tune.

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Well I have decided that boost is what I want. Thanks for all your help. GO TURBO!

I will post pics. of my setup in two or three weeks.