Racintweek

exactly, but a "good" american know's it isnt about oil. its about getting rid offf terrrrrrrists.

Dr.Boost

Oh goodie, is this another one of those really cool political threads? :1
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stevenb

I'm not going to debate any further with RS about political threads.

Though I'd take some pretty large chances if the payout was billions of dollars in my pockets.

Oh, and General Sean Hannity has approved of the war with Iran... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-4LVYGRzs4

What's even funnier.. is the fact that the majority of the insurgency attacks are done by Saudi Arabians.... :1

And attacking Iran because their weapons are in Iraq... Would be like.. South America attacking us because the Guerrillas down there used m16s and American weapons. Countries will sell arms to ANYONE as long as it makes money for them.... hell the United States is the world's #1 exporter of weapons. By our logic... why hasn't anyone invaded or bombed us for supplying weapons to terrorists around the world as well?

And... a quote in regards to this:

Racintweek

you 2 might like to take it up the ***, but most people dont. if you dont fight back, you'll keep getting raped

J-SMITH69

this is what is great about leftists. they make idiotic predictions, and they never come true. but no one remembers what they said, simply because it was so goddamn ridiculous in the first place.

if we attacked iran, the US would crumble? in what way? how could you possibly believe that? the rest of the world attacking us? the world depends on us too much, we should stop funding NATO and the UN. cease all the aid to european countries, cease all aid around the world.

hmmm i didn't know george bush was a BILLIONAIR LMAO. thats very comical. george bush is far far less wealtly than the typical liberal politicion. look at slip and fall john edwards.

russia exports about the same number of weapons as the united states. is russia evil? why are you not calling them out? france and germany also export a lot of weapons. and it is known that russia will soon become the largest exporter of weapons in the world. how do you feel about the countries russia sells their arms to?

iran is not selling their weapons, they are donating them.

btw, hannity is a radio and tv pundit, he is in no position to make policy, quoting him is like me quoting your theories.

J-SMITH69

as previously stated by me... even if iran attacked israel, or attacked up outright somewhere in the world... you all would blame the united states. so whats the point of discussing it? no matter what happens your hate for president bush would make you blame him.

J-SMITH69

going hunting, if i don't come back. you'll know that condoleezza rice dissapeared me for knowing about their iran nuke plan.

MikeJ-2009

Way to go on the head in the sand answer. Don't discuss the topic, everything is ok if you can just blame the other side for soemthing. lol. Jonny, they're all fakes. Get over it.


Okie dohky. I'm on record. You say "if Iran started a war", but you fail to realise that Iran doesn't have the capability to start a war with us from the other side of the world, despite what Bush has you believing.


Here's a list of questions Ron Paul proposed that congress didn't want to answer about the war, before it started. Please just right this off as lefty garbage if it makes too much sense. Thank you.

> QUESTIONS THAT WON'T BE ASKED ABOUT IRAQ


> Soon we hope to have hearings on the pending war with Iraq. I am concerned there are some questions that wont be asked- and maybe will not even be allowed to be asked. Here are some questions I would like answered by those who are urging us to start this war.


1. Is it not true that the reason we did not bomb the Soviet Union at the height of the Cold War was because we knew they could retaliate?

2. Is it not also true that we are willing to bomb Iraq now because we know it cannot retaliate- which just confirms that there is no real threat?

3. Is it not true that those who argue that even with inspections we cannot be sure that Hussein might be hiding weapons, at the same time imply that we can be more sure that weapons exist in the absence of inspections?

4. Is it not true that the UNs International Atomic Energy Agency was able to complete its yearly verification mission to Iraq just this year with Iraqi cooperation?

5. Is it not true that the intelligence community has been unable to develop a case tying Iraq to global terrorism at all, much less the attacks on the United States last year? Does anyone remember that 15 of the 19 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia and that none came from Iraq?

6. Was former CIA counter-terrorism chief Vincent Cannistraro wrong when he recently said there is no confirmed evidence of Iraqs links to terrorism?

7. Is it not true that the CIA has concluded there is no evidence that a Prague meeting between 9/11 hijacker Atta and Iraqi intelligence took place?

8. Is it not true that northern Iraq, where the administration claimed al-Qaeda were hiding out, is in the control of our "allies," the Kurds?

9. Is it not true that the vast majority of al-Qaeda leaders who escaped appear to have safely made their way to Pakistan, another of our so-called allies?

10. Has anyone noticed that Afghanistan is rapidly sinking into total chaos, with bombings and assassinations becoming daily occurrences; and that according to a recent UN report the al-Qaeda "is, by all accounts, alive and well and poised to strike again, how, when, and where it chooses"?

11. Why are we taking precious military and intelligence resources away from tracking down those who did attack the United States- and who may again attack the United States- and using them to invade countries that have not attacked the United States?

12. Would an attack on Iraq not just confirm the Arab world's worst suspicions about the US, and isn't this what bin Laden wanted?

13. How can Hussein be compared to Hitler when he has no navy or air force, and now has an army 1/5 the size of twelve years ago, which even then proved totally inept at defending the country?

14. Is it not true that the constitutional power to declare war is exclusively that of the Congress? Should presidents, contrary to the Constitution, allow Congress to concur only when pressured by public opinion? Are presidents permitted to rely on the UN for permission to go to war?

15. Are you aware of a Pentagon report studying charges that thousands of Kurds in one village were gassed by the Iraqis, which found no conclusive evidence that Iraq was responsible, that Iran occupied the very city involved, and that evidence indicated the type of gas used was more likely controlled by Iran not Iraq?

16. Is it not true that anywhere between 100,000 and 300,000 US soldiers have suffered from Persian Gulf War syndrome from the first Gulf War, and that thousands may have died?

17. Are we prepared for possibly thousands of American casualties in a war against a country that does not have the capacity to attack the United States?

18. Are we willing to bear the economic burden of a 100 billion dollar war against Iraq, with oil prices expected to skyrocket and further rattle an already shaky American economy? How about an estimated 30 years occupation of Iraq that some have deemed necessary to "build democracy" there?

19. Iraqs alleged violations of UN resolutions are given as reason to initiate an attack, yet is it not true that hundreds of UN Resolutions have been ignored by various countries without penalty?

20. Did former President Bush not cite the UN Resolution of 1990 as the reason he could not march into Baghdad, while supporters of a new attack assert that it is the very reason we can march into Baghdad?

21. Is it not true that, contrary to current claims, the no-fly zones were set up by Britain and the United States without specific approval from the United Nations?

22. If we claim membership in the international community and conform to its rules only when it pleases us, does this not serve to undermine our position, directing animosity toward us by both friend and foe?

23. How can our declared goal of bringing democracy to Iraq be believable when we prop up dictators throughout the Middle East and support military tyrants like Musharaf in Pakistan, who overthrew a democratically-elected president?

24. Are you familiar with the 1994 Senate Hearings that revealed the U.S. knowingly supplied chemical and biological materials to Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war and as late as 1992- including after the alleged Iraqi gas attack on a Kurdish village?

25. Did we not assist Saddam Husseins rise to power by supporting and encouraging his invasion of Iran? Is it honest to criticize Saddam now for his invasion of Iran, which at the time we actively supported?

26. Is it not true that preventive war is synonymous with an act of aggression, and has never been considered a moral or legitimate US policy?

27. Why do the oil company executives strongly support this war if oil is not the real reason we plan to take over Iraq?

28. Why is it that those who never wore a uniform and are confident that they wont have to personally fight this war are more anxious for this war than our generals?

29. What is the moral argument for attacking a nation that has not initiated aggression against us, and could not if it wanted?

30. Where does the Constitution grant us permission to wage war for any reason other than self-defense?

31. Is it not true that a war against Iraq rejects the sentiments of the time-honored Treaty of Westphalia, nearly 400 years ago, that countries should never go into another for the purpose of regime change?

32. Is it not true that the more civilized a society is, the less likely disagreements will be settled by war?

33. Is it not true that since World War II Congress has not declared war and- not coincidentally- we have not since then had a clear-cut victory?

34. Is it not true that Pakistan, especially through its intelligence services, was an active supporter and key organizer of the Taliban?

35. Why don't those who want war bring a formal declaration of war resolution to the floor of Congress?

Racintweek

i can agree the world does depend on us.....to make them money. international bankers (the frederal reserve) want us to spend money so they can make more. i dont know why you are so blind to this fact. there is no way you can argue that the federal reserve doesnt want us to spend money.