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GM cars about to be even more piles of shit
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/19/bu...rssnyt&emc=rss
DETROIT — General Motors said Tuesday that it would begin another round of buyout offers that would allow it to begin hiring new workers for significantly less pay. |
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coming from someone that was set on getting a camaro last week ::)
make up your mind cocktease |
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im still getting one. doesnt mean its not a pile O0
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Corey buy a fox body mustang and put an LS1 in it. Turbo it. Slay all.
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dave i cant do that, its sacreligous...or something :6
someone local is selling a clean fox for 2K obo ive been thinking about. twin turbo stock block 450ish hp? :y |
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no.
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Craig |
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craig nailed it. half of gm is 45+ union fucks making $28/hr, when a college kid who would make $12/hr would gladly do the same job to bust through college tuition, and have to work to keep the job, unlike mr union.
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did you even read up on it? no ofcourse not
theyre buying out the overpaid union faggots to replace em with people who get paid half of what they make. doesnt mean they will be putting unqualified workers. doesnt mean they will do it all at once guess which car company outsold all other car companies thats right gm |
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Originally Posted by buk9tp
did you even read up on it? no ofcourse not
theyre buying out the overpaid union faggots to replace em with people who get paid half of what they make. doesnt mean they will be putting unqualified workers. doesnt mean they will do it all at once guess which car company outsold all other car companies thats right gm |
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Originally Posted by TunerToys
I believe that if they haven't already, Toyota will be shortly overtaking GM on this one.
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Correct. Just because a company is reporting losses doesn't really mean they're selling less units. It could mean they are grossly overpaying their nog workers (like here most likely).
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"G.M. is expected to replace most of the workers who leave its parts warehouses with new hires. Its labor agreement with the U.A.W., which was ratified in October after a two-day nationwide strike, creates a second-tier wage rate of as little as $14 an hour for new workers in jobs classified as noncore. Current workers are paid twice that amount, which, including benefits, costs G.M. about $45 an hour more than those at the lower wage tier."
GM outsold toyota by 3000 vehicles, although i just rea an article that said every chevy cobalt they sell at a loss of 2-3,000 and they have 118 billion in healthcare obligations for all their retiree's, so yea they are doomed. |
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Originally Posted by buk9tp
did you even read up on it? no ofcourse not
theyre buying out the overpaid union faggots to replace em with people who get paid half of what they make. doesnt mean they will be putting unqualified workers. doesnt mean they will do it all at once guess which car company outsold all other car companies thats right gm you think the people they hire in place are going to work hard for 12-14hr WITHOUT chance of making much more? negative. as a matter of fact GM is probably banking on john mccain getting elected next year and allowing all the immigrants hes going to give citizenship to, to build thier cars for 8/hr. |
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Originally Posted by signorelli21
"G.M. is expected to replace most of the workers who leave its parts warehouses with new hires. Its labor agreement with the U.A.W., which was ratified in October after a two-day nationwide strike, creates a second-tier wage rate of as little as $14 an hour for new workers in jobs classified as noncore. Current workers are paid twice that amount, which, including benefits, costs G.M. about $45 an hour more than those at the lower wage tier."
GM outsold toyota by 3000 vehicles, although i just rea an article that said every chevy cobalt they sell at a loss of 2-3,000 and they have 118 billion in healthcare obligations for all their retiree's, so yea they are doomed. |
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Originally Posted by CoreyR
yes i read up fag. taking higher paid, experienced workers out and replacing them with people who get paid half as much. sorry but i work about as hard as my pay requires me to. pay me ---- get minimum effort from me, pay me well and i give all my effort.
you think the people they hire in place are going to work hard for 12-14hr WITHOUT chance of making much more? negative. as a matter of fact GM is probably banking on john mccain getting elected next year and allowing all the immigrants hes going to give citizenship to, to build thier cars for 8/hr. my brother and cousin worked for one of those chrysler things where they put bolts into cars and ---- and they got paid 8 bucks an hour doing that same work that chrysler paid ither people 16 and 32 bucks an hour, for just putting bolts in.. workers STILL had a quota to meet and if they didnt meet it they got fired theres quality control that make sure everything is done right its not some chinamen country the way i see it is if its between rotatating the workers every 10-15 years to get ones that cost less or sending jobs to china where we get no jobs and the chinamen does the same job for 1/10th the ------- pay then were better off sending in fresh workers ::) |
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Originally Posted by TorganFM
It's most likely only the SS Cobalts they lose on. No company would design a flagship entry vehicle as a replacement to the successful Cavalier that drains money from them.
Although GM workers are good, they are also very expensive; and that has put the company at a disadvantage. Under their union contract, GM assembly workers make about $2 more per hour than Toyota's workers do. And health care — especially for retirees — is staggering. For instance, GM spends more than $1,600 in health care per vehicle in North America while Toyota, with few retirees in the U.S., spends under $300 per vehicle. GM can't pass health care costs onto customers, so it sells some cars at a big loss. Sean McAlinden , an analyst with the Center for Automotive Research in Ann Arbor, Mich., said: "They haven't made money on the passenger car since the mid 1980s." Take the Chevy Cobalt, a compact vehicle. While it's priced at $20,000 to $21,000 with a full compliment of options, it has been mostly selling at $13,000 to $14,000. "They're losing $2,000 to $3,000 a vehicle," McAlinden said. |
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Maybe they're losing $3k off what they would normally be making. But they are certainly not losing actual money selling cars. They're just not losing when it comes to the amount, if that makes sense.
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yea i understand ;D
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Originally Posted by CoreyR
dave i cant do that, its sacreligous...or something :6
someone local is selling a clean fox for 2K obo ive been thinking about. twin turbo stock block 450ish hp? :y |
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ok johnny anytime now.
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Originally Posted by mike94se
Forged 302?
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450-500 is the breaking point depending on the tune.
"I'm gonna split this block in half" Pinks, 2/20, 9 PM, WATCH IT! |
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Originally Posted by signorelli21
A number of people in my family either work for or are retired from GM assembly plants and those fuckers make WAY too much money for what they actually do. |
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Originally Posted by Mista Bone
450-500 is the breaking point depending on the tune.
"I'm gonna split this block in half" Pinks, 2/20, 9 PM, WATCH IT! |
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Originally Posted by TunerToys
Not that I'm a fan of layoffs, but getting rid of their grossly overpaid and terribly under-productive union workers is probably the best thing for the financially troubled GM. I'll agree that unions are a good thing for places where workers are taken advantage of, like third world nations where there are sweatshops, not the USA.
Craig |
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doesn't sound like this effects people making the cars, sounds more like its people tossing boxes of ---- in warehouses.
robots make most of the cars anyways |
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Dose GM even make cars in the USA anymore ???
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Originally Posted by TunerToys
Not that I'm a fan of layoffs, but getting rid of their grossly overpaid and terribly under-productive union workers is probably the best thing for the financially troubled GM. I'll agree that unions are a good thing for places where workers are taken advantage of, like third world nations where there are sweatshops, not the USA.
Craig |
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Unions protect US the working class people. why are you so against them. Look at Enron employees or Delta, they lost their 401k, retirement, pension. If they were unionized that would have been taken care of by the union and those people wouldnt have to work now until the day they die. Look at wal-mart wtf?! The company I work for is non-union but they treat us VERY well, and until they show otherwise there is no need for it. All of the auto manufacturers used to be horrible to the employees.
Who are the ones making too much money? the people that go in every day and work to put food on their families plates, or the guys sitting on top of the ladder doing nothing but pencil whipping and making millions a year shitting on everyone else in the company. I'm glad the union has GM by the balls, they are just going to make detroit even poorer yet paying people minnimum wage like wal mart |
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unions are scams.
---- em |
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Unions have their place... in 1910.
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Unions are great I make 75K a year and do nothing most of the year.BBQ seafood and watch movies 8)
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Originally Posted by ifly87
Unions protect US the working class people. why are you so against them. Look at Enron employees or Delta, they lost their 401k, retirement, pension. If they were unionized that would have been taken care of by the union and those people wouldnt have to work now until the day they die. Look at wal-mart wtf?! The company I work for is non-union but they treat us VERY well, and until they show otherwise there is no need for it. All of the auto manufacturers used to be horrible to the employees.
Who are the ones making too much money? the people that go in every day and work to put food on their families plates, or the guys sitting on top of the ladder doing nothing but pencil whipping and making millions a year shitting on everyone else in the company. I'm glad the union has GM by the balls, they are just going to make detroit even poorer yet paying people minnimum wage like wal mart Most companies now pay competetivly because most workers can go elsewhere if they are treated like ----. That's why unions ruin companies. |
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ford will do the same thing here shortly. they are just too broke right now. they'll sell off one of their sub-companies and follow in GM and chryslers foot steps.
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I have worked inside of honda plants and a gm plant in dayton. I am a union electrician . There is a world of difference. The so called lazy asses as gm making 28/hr are mataince people, they dont do ---- but wait, but if a line breaks and they are down and hour. thats mad cash lost. They are cheaper to have wait and do nothing than call people in to fix something at 3am. The line workers dont make as much i dont believe. I knew a girl who worked at "Behr"/Chrystler working union on the line and she only made 11/hr. At "F&P" Honda every one is making dick as far as money but they thrive on dumb high school drop outs doinng one tast such as nut welding or repair welds on the sub frames after it comes out of the robot cells. Even though Honda is strictly Non-union they still always hire a union contractors for all there electrical work so they get there ---- installed correctly
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I work in the same style setup.Im there in case something happens as one hour is my wages for the year :S Really if GM and the other three US car makers hadnt built ---- for twenty years they wouldnt have lost all there market share and profit so ---- em they did it to themselves.
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Originally Posted by clwtwizted
I have worked inside of honda plants and a gm plant in dayton. I am a union electrician . There is a world of difference. The so called lazy asses as gm making 28/hr are mataince people, they dont do ---- but wait, but if a line breaks and they are down and hour. thats mad cash lost. They are cheaper to have wait and do nothing than call people in to fix something at 3am. The line workers dont make as much i dont believe. I knew a girl who worked at "Behr"/Chrystler working union on the line and she only made 11/hr. At "F&P" Honda every one is making dick as far as money but they thrive on dumb high school drop outs doinng one tast such as nut welding or repair welds on the sub frames after it comes out of the robot cells. Even though Honda is strictly Non-union they still always hire a union contractors for all there electrical work so they get there ---- installed correctly
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I saw your car out front i just didnt go out side to see if it was missing the front end or not to see if it was yours
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Originally Posted by rawr
My aunt made over 30 putting parts on a machine. I found out where you live monday :8 Did you see the HMT sticker on my shitbox infront of your house while i was railing your mom and double ------- your sisters holes?
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