A foiled plot in Britain may signal chilling tactic
and bring back napalm 
02-02-2007, 11:00 AM
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Re: A foiled plot in Britain may signal chilling tactic
Originally Posted by Stealthmode
Liberals make me sick.
Liberals make me think there might be hope for the world.
Conservitves make me want say ---- the world and go live off the grid in alaska.
02-02-2007, 11:22 AM
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Re: A foiled plot in Britain may signal chilling tactic
Originally Posted by rawr
Liberals make me think there might be hope for the world.
Conservitves make me want say ---- the world and go live off the grid in alaska.
02-02-2007, 11:33 AM
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Re: A foiled plot in Britain may signal chilling tactic
Originally Posted by signorelli21
that article is just fear mongering, omg terrorists terrorists!!
this was at the very bottom of the article (after the paragraph talking about how two guys were arrestedin a police raid, one of them ot shot, later released and not charged with anything)
"Terrorism experts said that it was important to establish whether the kidnapping plot, if confirmed, was a one-off action or a new tactic."
as far as sending the people a message by killing more of them, that will make things worse.
the germans learned after invading russia and murdering entire villages that this tactic made the partisans stronger and united.
the russians also learned this in afganistan
i think its interesting how all these terror threats always come to light when mr blairs approval rating drops
this was at the very bottom of the article (after the paragraph talking about how two guys were arrestedin a police raid, one of them ot shot, later released and not charged with anything)
"Terrorism experts said that it was important to establish whether the kidnapping plot, if confirmed, was a one-off action or a new tactic."
as far as sending the people a message by killing more of them, that will make things worse.
the germans learned after invading russia and murdering entire villages that this tactic made the partisans stronger and united.
the russians also learned this in afganistan
i think its interesting how all these terror threats always come to light when mr blairs approval rating drops
I didn't mean killing everyone who's muslim and has a tan. I mean't activley seeking the people behind all this and that takes using some finesse. Gathering acurate intelligence and then acting on it. America just isnt any good at this kind of war. We don't have the pateince and our military is more geared for all out world war two style fight.
The tools needed for this war are good undercover agents and quick striking teams that can bring in the terrorists and then interogate them for information.
Not hundereds of thousands of solders and humvee's to take potshots at from an upstairs room that only fuels the fire. they have easy targets over their and it gives them hope and keeps their minds on it. If they don't have an easy target right out their front door then most off them just won't be able to do anything because they couldn't afford to travel and buy equipment. And the ones that can afford to carry out attacks will have alot more hoops to jump through and like I mentioned before the intelligence community will have a better chance of catching them somewhere in the process then they bring some of them in and then that whole group gets interogated and their whole network gets caught and maybe a few of their buddies in other cells.
Going into Iraq the way we did was a mistake, But the descision was made from bad intelligence because the intelligence community was incompotent they had been basically gutted and had most of their budget cut a few years before 9/11. So now were in it and we have to finish it the hard way. It sucks but thats how it is.
I think the new statagy they came up with could work though. Bring in some more troops secure bahgdad give the citizens a better quality of life and spreaqd out from their then maybe that will show the rest of the country that theirs a better way then blowing up their own people. I don't think a democracy will ever work over their. Those people need a heavy hand to keep them inline there a differant culture then us in the west and they just don't think the same way. Not that their bad people their just differant and what works good for us doesn't necessarily work for them.
It's just hard to when you have liberals derailing the effort at every turn. we should just pick Jane Fonda up and drop her off in Iraq and see how well she does. Or maybe take her to Isreal and stick her *** on a bus with a suicide bomber.
02-02-2007, 11:46 AM
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Re: A foiled plot in Britain may signal chilling tactic
No, we need to arm the Isreals. The Jews have had their borders being attacked, and they will melt all of the Middle East, even themselves. We just then pull out, and wait for them to call us back in.
Course that won't happen, they'll just say we backed out and left them to die
Course that won't happen, they'll just say we backed out and left them to die
02-02-2007, 01:00 PM
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Re: A foiled plot in Britain may signal chilling tactic
Originally Posted by mycrx
you spelled conservatives wrong
02-02-2007, 01:18 PM
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Re: A foiled plot in Britain may signal chilling tactic
Originally Posted by Dmc1
We need to hit these terrorists way harder then we have been. It's all the worthless liberals whining that makes it so hard to fight and win this kind of war. I'd say public castration for all terror suspects. All this ---- would stop real quick. But we have to be humain whiles these radical muslims go around kidnapping people blowing us up and making us waste or time fighting them.
We don't even know how to fight a war anymore. I don't understand why our country doesn't have a spine anymore. The first rule to anything from a fight in the school yard to all out war is that you strike first fast and with everything youve got. all we do is little half measures here and there that overall acomplish nothing and encourage the terrorists because they can still operate.
Like right now theyre winning in Iraq because our weak congress keeps resisting the war and just like veitnam we'll end up losing because of all the liberals that won't let us finish. The insurgents know all they have to do is last another year and the US will most likely start pulling out of Iraq.
And when they do start pulling out it'll be just like Veitnam Bahgdad will get over ran just like siagon and we'll be airlifting the remaining americans off the roof of the embassy.
We don't even know how to fight a war anymore. I don't understand why our country doesn't have a spine anymore. The first rule to anything from a fight in the school yard to all out war is that you strike first fast and with everything youve got. all we do is little half measures here and there that overall acomplish nothing and encourage the terrorists because they can still operate.
Like right now theyre winning in Iraq because our weak congress keeps resisting the war and just like veitnam we'll end up losing because of all the liberals that won't let us finish. The insurgents know all they have to do is last another year and the US will most likely start pulling out of Iraq.
And when they do start pulling out it'll be just like Veitnam Bahgdad will get over ran just like siagon and we'll be airlifting the remaining americans off the roof of the embassy.
Iraq has nothing to do with terrorism and Saddam didnt allow extremist to operate out of there.Trashing the country,getting rid of Saddam will now allow it to fall to extremist/muslim radicals and is helping inspire more to join the "Jihad" against the west.Iraq has actually done alot to increase terrorism not to decrease it.Afghanistan they should have poured the troops into to smash the Taliban to pieces then spend billions rebuilding schools,hospitals etc so Muslim groups would have had less to draw support from as iits hard to convince people to join a fight against a enemy who just rebuilt a country and brought them a better life.Iraq is doomed and will only ever get worse everybody knows this just get the ---- out before anymore young Americans die needlessly in a shithole country.There are reasons people hate the west and fixing those would be a good start not all are fixable but some of there reasons are kinda just.
02-02-2007, 01:26 PM
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Re: A foiled plot in Britain may signal chilling tactic
dmc1, agreed.
i support the effort of our military to bring stability to iraq and fight terrorism.
but, i don't think this war has anything to do with terrorism or weapons of mass destruction. its a sad reality that certain people in our government want this war because they are making lots of money from very lucrative defense contracts. also we are learning that we were misled into invading iraq in the first place, that intelligence was not only flawed. but intentionally misrepresented to sway the public that saddam was a serious threat.
but none of that matters now because we are already committed and cannot turn back, or cut and run, as the conservatives so elloquently put it.
what does matter is that all of the scandals and what not have underminded our faith in our so called intelligence estimates, not to mention the rest of the world is growing skeptical of our intentions.
point is, how do we know what we are told is true? before the democrats became elected all we kept hearing is how we are winning and "full speed ahead" , "stay the course". when in reality we cannot win this war, all we can do is hope to bring stability to the country and try not to make the same mistakes twice.
i support the effort of our military to bring stability to iraq and fight terrorism.
but, i don't think this war has anything to do with terrorism or weapons of mass destruction. its a sad reality that certain people in our government want this war because they are making lots of money from very lucrative defense contracts. also we are learning that we were misled into invading iraq in the first place, that intelligence was not only flawed. but intentionally misrepresented to sway the public that saddam was a serious threat.
but none of that matters now because we are already committed and cannot turn back, or cut and run, as the conservatives so elloquently put it.
what does matter is that all of the scandals and what not have underminded our faith in our so called intelligence estimates, not to mention the rest of the world is growing skeptical of our intentions.
point is, how do we know what we are told is true? before the democrats became elected all we kept hearing is how we are winning and "full speed ahead" , "stay the course". when in reality we cannot win this war, all we can do is hope to bring stability to the country and try not to make the same mistakes twice.
02-02-2007, 02:04 PM
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Re: A foiled plot in Britain may signal chilling tactic
you know what, even though i am not from the states, i can agree, that to some degree, some action is called for, but for the right causes, not for the wrong ones, and that includes making money, which alot is being made from this war. this war is not being fought for the liberation of the iraqi people, you guys need to remember something, remember how once upon a time the american government was looking for weapons of mass destruction? well who do you think sold those weapons to him, iraq was once upon a time a friend of the states, who do you think put the taliban into power, it was once a "police force" the states also once helped afghanistan fight a war, the true enemy here is iran and not iraq, iraq has the oil and the gas from the caspian sea that people want, it has nothing to do with the liberation of the iraqi people, that crap sells the war to the people, ther american citizens, well by your posts, it's not working anymore, needless lives are being lost, and for what? because we consume so much resources that we suck the life out of other countries, all for money, but what if the terrorists did not strike the twin towers, what if it had nothing to do with any of that? what if it was a ploy by the american government to sell the war to the people and allow the government to invade a country which as never once attacked american soil. food for thought.
02-02-2007, 02:15 PM
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Re: A foiled plot in Britain may signal chilling tactic
its all about oil, and it always will be.
we hung saddam on the deaths of ~180 people from 25years ago.
what about the hundreds of thousands who have died in darfour?? what are we doing about that?? << not that i really care
i wouldnt have a problem with what we are doing if we werent lied to. tell me we need the ------- oil so we are gonna take it and so be it. dont tell me some sob ------- story about who some camel jockey killed to save face, just go take that ---- and be done with it. saves a lot of money spent on PR people in the gov't.
we are the ------- greatest we dont need approval, we take what we want.
we hung saddam on the deaths of ~180 people from 25years ago.
what about the hundreds of thousands who have died in darfour?? what are we doing about that?? << not that i really care
i wouldnt have a problem with what we are doing if we werent lied to. tell me we need the ------- oil so we are gonna take it and so be it. dont tell me some sob ------- story about who some camel jockey killed to save face, just go take that ---- and be done with it. saves a lot of money spent on PR people in the gov't.
we are the ------- greatest we dont need approval, we take what we want.
