J-MAN

it's all about wanting to have better thing and live in a nicer area, that is why people do years of schooling to become doctors and lawyers. would be pretty messed up if you did 7 years of college paying out the *** for it and end up working next to some lazy ignorant bastard getting paid the same that thinks everythign should be handed to him just because he lives in the united states and thinks he is too good to start at the bottom and work his way up.

jinxy

no one said ------- ---- about comunisim, this is about raising the ------- minimum wage so people CAN live off of it and have the opertunity to move up if need be. IF YOU PAY YOUR LOWER CLASS WORKERS A WAGE WHERE THEY CAN BAIRLY SUPPORT THEMSELFS ITS BAD for the ------- economy! they dont have the money to spend on extras, they cant go out to dinner, they cant buy new cars, they cant but all of these stupid little extra things. wich leads to a decline in business, wich leads to a lowerd demand, a heightend supply. so now we have to cut the supply and the workers who now make this product. not everyone can go be a ------- doctor or a lawyer. not everyones smart enough for that. but that doesnt mean they shouldent be able to live some sort of decent life. not some lavish upperclass driving a mercedes living in a 500k dollar house life. but decent. whats so hard to understand about that? What your all doing is supporting the rich. there not out to pay you a decent living. there out to may money for themselfs and pay you as little as possible for you to still stay at that job...if you dont do these basic simple things you're begging for capitolism to colapse on itself. you can only outsource so much, you can only rip your workers off so much. it drives the power of the country down and then it will just fall apart like all of the other super powers, like england, france, and spain.

J-MAN

and i agree with that but there are other jobs besides minimum wage for people that want more and don't have a problem working for it. there are alot of jobs in my area that start at around $11-$12 and you have the option to work alot of overtime, you even get raises every 3 months or so. it might be hard work but it is an option besides working at fast food or some other crap job. my part time job isn't hard at all, so do i think i deserve more then what i get? no. if i wanted to get paid more i would find another job. but the one i have is very conveniant.

point is there are always better jobs out there, you just have to be willing to do them.

jinxy

highest paying low level jobs around here start out at like 7.50-8.50 since our minimum wage is so low.

J-SMITH69

socialisim thumbs down

Tatakai

iono how PA is, but WA (seattle at least) is 29% higher cost of living than pheonix, arizona, and its just below the national average. i live in Seattle, and a lot of people I know move out to get a house.

you can get a 3bed/2bath in a decent area in seattle for like $3-400K, or you can move 10-20 minutes to the south and get the same house for about $100K cheaper, in a pretty good area

accordepicenter

I agree, t-down on the socialism. Some people are content to work shitty jobs for shitty pay, if you make them not care about it by raising the minimum wage you really kill the economy, they might actually have to go to school or learn a trade like everyone else. You might have to rely on someone other than the government to get ahead in life. Just look at some of the guys on this site, they might have little or no schooling and some of them own their own businesses or have gotten sucessful in other ways, some people just try harder than others. And Stillnoturbo, my hourly job makes more than your salaried job

toyotacelicagt-s

Raising the minimum wage other than indexing to inflaition will actually hurt the economy. If anyone ever took Economics 101 in university or college they probably taught you this.

ToeJam

If the minimum wage raises, then people will bitch that they have been there longer and are only making slightly over minimum wage. Everyone will then demand more money, cost of living will go up since people are now making more money and the chain reaction wil continue.
In California, even if you make double the minimum wage, you will still have trouble being able to afford decent housing which is why you have households with 10+ people living there.
So if you raise the minimum wage, the value of a dollar goes down, so it is as if you never got a raise in the first place.

crxrocks

Minimum wage sucks. The government shouldn't tell me or my company how much to pay my employees. If I don't pay you enough for the job there are other employers out there.

Chris