Election 2004
02-15-2004, 01:10 PM
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Re:Election 2004
Originally Posted by nonvtec
Whether or not he will win depends on who votes for him. I would have to say that I am pissed off that he sent us to Iraq, even more so now that we didn't find anything. The point is that our soldiers died protecting us from nothing, the nothing that we didn't find in Iraq. I fail to see how Iraq had anything to do with terrorism.
Democrats don't think about the thousands of people Saddam killed for no reason, but they sure do pop up in the news when we try to execute some filthy ---- that slaughters a whole family here in the states. Does this make sense to anyone? The attack on 9/11 didn't involve any WMD. We're not just going after weapons, we're going after the people that want to harm us. It's not all about weapons. Are you more pissed now, or are you gonna be more pissed when you can't go to sleep at night because you don't feel safe? (I have ammunition to beat this subject to death if that's what you want)
02-15-2004, 01:28 PM
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Re:Election 2004
I have never not felt safe. I felt safe when Saddam was executing his own people. Iraq had no intention of doing anything to us! They wouldnt dream of it because they know we'd rock them, like we did, for no reason. Like I said, Saddam wasn't in power when we captured him. So, we got him out of power by not doing anything. Was it worth it to free a country that hates us by killing our own troops. You can't force democracy on people. Are we going to go into every country on earth if they do something we don't like? It isn't about safety, it's about the United States "freeing" countries at the expense of our troops, they had a thing like this in the 1800's when Britain was colonizing Africa, what was that, oh yeah Imperialism.
02-15-2004, 03:51 PM
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Saddam wasn't in power when we caught him because he was too busy hiding like a little bitch. So we should have left then? And then he pops back up and starts ruining Iraq again. UH DUH. 
The people that are killing our troops are not the average Iraqi citizen. They are a very small percentage of the actual country.
The people that are killing our troops are not the average Iraqi citizen. They are a very small percentage of the actual country.
02-15-2004, 04:21 PM
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Re:Election 2004
Originally Posted by Whitey
Bush is a ------- moron. As for the war in Iraq, one word, Halliburton. The biggest money making oil contract in the history of the universe went to this company and who is the CEO of this company? Dick Chaney the vice president.
ooh whitey, former CEO. meaning A LONG FUCKIGN TIME AGO. comon man lots of people that are big buisness men go from company to company. bottom line is halliburton is the only company that could get fuel into a warzone for CHEAP.
02-15-2004, 04:59 PM
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Re:Election 2004
I knew I liked HMT for a reason...
anyway, now for Racerex's list of common misconceptions:
1. The president has any control over the economy.
--Lie, the federal reserve and Mr. Greenspan really control the economy. Whether it's up or down, if we blame the pres. we are really missing what's going on behind the scenes.
2. The media is fair and balanced.
--haha*snicker* Do you seriously beleive that?
3. It's cool to be a democrat.
--Lie. Such a beleif is based propaganda hoarded on us from the media which is heavily biased. Democrats and liberals have always received a cool appearance by the media, thus sucking in millions of young kids every day to follow their beleif system. You should pick a party whose platform most closely coincides with your values.
4. Because Bush's popularity in recent polls is down, he will surely lose in Nov.
--Not true. Bush has yet to begin any real campaigning, and even if he does lose in Nov. there would be no real way to tell that now.
5. My vote doesn't count and everyone running sucks, so why vote.
--Why would you lay down and die like that? The country doesn't need any more dead weight...do something!
6. Bush has lead us into a war so that innocent people will die for to find non-existant WMD's.
--Lie, even if no WMD's have been found or will be found, Bush was only a receiver of the intelligence, and he made the decision the best that he could based on what he had.
To have not acted would've been a much greater risk.
7. Bush sucks because he doesn't listen to other countries or UN.
--Lie. Bush has shown valor in letting his conscience dictate his actions, and not simply giving into this pressure. The country could use a few more independant thinkers.
--Well, that's a good start. Chew on those for a little while...and remember, things aren't always as they seem, and beleifs formed after only hearing one side of the story are only opinions and generally are not composed of any truth.
anyway, now for Racerex's list of common misconceptions:
1. The president has any control over the economy.
--Lie, the federal reserve and Mr. Greenspan really control the economy. Whether it's up or down, if we blame the pres. we are really missing what's going on behind the scenes.
2. The media is fair and balanced.
--haha*snicker* Do you seriously beleive that?
3. It's cool to be a democrat.
--Lie. Such a beleif is based propaganda hoarded on us from the media which is heavily biased. Democrats and liberals have always received a cool appearance by the media, thus sucking in millions of young kids every day to follow their beleif system. You should pick a party whose platform most closely coincides with your values.
4. Because Bush's popularity in recent polls is down, he will surely lose in Nov.
--Not true. Bush has yet to begin any real campaigning, and even if he does lose in Nov. there would be no real way to tell that now.
5. My vote doesn't count and everyone running sucks, so why vote.
--Why would you lay down and die like that? The country doesn't need any more dead weight...do something!
6. Bush has lead us into a war so that innocent people will die for to find non-existant WMD's.
--Lie, even if no WMD's have been found or will be found, Bush was only a receiver of the intelligence, and he made the decision the best that he could based on what he had.
To have not acted would've been a much greater risk.
7. Bush sucks because he doesn't listen to other countries or UN.
--Lie. Bush has shown valor in letting his conscience dictate his actions, and not simply giving into this pressure. The country could use a few more independant thinkers.
--Well, that's a good start. Chew on those for a little while...and remember, things aren't always as they seem, and beleifs formed after only hearing one side of the story are only opinions and generally are not composed of any truth.
02-15-2004, 05:07 PM
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Re:Election 2004
it's interesting that a good number of people on this board have such strong opinions about our leaders when the only things they know about them are based on news editorials and THE DAILY SHOW. C'MON PEOPLE. think for yourselves for a change.
It's like...
would you rather get AIDS and then try to fight it off, or would you like to prevent HIV from getting into your system in the first place? It's the same ------- thing. Kicking the ---- out of Iraq was like goddamn flu shot for the good ol' US of A. THE CIA GAVE CLINTON THE SAME INFO REGARDING SADDAM, AND HE DID *NOTHING*. Didn't act on it. At least Bush is entertaining the possibility that some ------- is sitting on a button that could wipe out a US city.
Nevermind that we haven't found any WMDs yet. the fact is, Iraq was a terrorist country with a ruthless dictator who only cared about money. Did you know that "technically" it was a democracy, but when people went to vote, only Saddams name was on the ballot? anyone who ran against him was just straight up killed.
Iraq invaded Kuait (sp?), what, 10 years ago? Why? Money. We went in to take it back. Why? several reasons. One, we knew that if Iraq took control of that country's oil resources, our economy would have a really shitty time of it. Sure we told everybody that we wanted to liberate this country from invasion, but that was only half of it. Our government is a business. It takes money to run it, and if our economy is in the toilet, it has to spend all it's money on government programs to pick up all the poor and destitute off the ground and put them back on their feet. Two, we were the only country with enough strength to do so.
So fast forward to present day. Weapons inspectors aren't being allowed to see the things they want to see. Sound suspicious? Yes. That's like a cop saying "show me your hands" and you keep them in your pockets. Is he going to think you've got a gun? Yes. Eventually the officer is going to have to shoot. We shot.
I have a cousin exactly 5 years younger than me--we share the same birthday. About a week ago, his battalion was sent to Iraq. He's his unit's machine gunner, responsible for defending his unit. I asked him what he thought of this whole war. He's like, "well, i'd rather be in school, but I think the US needs to be here right now, and we need to get the job done." He's ready for action. Bush isn't sending soldiers to die, he's sending them to do their job.
When it comes to the presidential election, try not to think of who is the best candidate, because there really isn't one. Try to vote for the one who could do the least amount of harm through their actions OR INACTIONS.
sorry for the long post.
It's like...
would you rather get AIDS and then try to fight it off, or would you like to prevent HIV from getting into your system in the first place? It's the same ------- thing. Kicking the ---- out of Iraq was like goddamn flu shot for the good ol' US of A. THE CIA GAVE CLINTON THE SAME INFO REGARDING SADDAM, AND HE DID *NOTHING*. Didn't act on it. At least Bush is entertaining the possibility that some ------- is sitting on a button that could wipe out a US city.
Nevermind that we haven't found any WMDs yet. the fact is, Iraq was a terrorist country with a ruthless dictator who only cared about money. Did you know that "technically" it was a democracy, but when people went to vote, only Saddams name was on the ballot? anyone who ran against him was just straight up killed.
Iraq invaded Kuait (sp?), what, 10 years ago? Why? Money. We went in to take it back. Why? several reasons. One, we knew that if Iraq took control of that country's oil resources, our economy would have a really shitty time of it. Sure we told everybody that we wanted to liberate this country from invasion, but that was only half of it. Our government is a business. It takes money to run it, and if our economy is in the toilet, it has to spend all it's money on government programs to pick up all the poor and destitute off the ground and put them back on their feet. Two, we were the only country with enough strength to do so.
So fast forward to present day. Weapons inspectors aren't being allowed to see the things they want to see. Sound suspicious? Yes. That's like a cop saying "show me your hands" and you keep them in your pockets. Is he going to think you've got a gun? Yes. Eventually the officer is going to have to shoot. We shot.
I have a cousin exactly 5 years younger than me--we share the same birthday. About a week ago, his battalion was sent to Iraq. He's his unit's machine gunner, responsible for defending his unit. I asked him what he thought of this whole war. He's like, "well, i'd rather be in school, but I think the US needs to be here right now, and we need to get the job done." He's ready for action. Bush isn't sending soldiers to die, he's sending them to do their job.
When it comes to the presidential election, try not to think of who is the best candidate, because there really isn't one. Try to vote for the one who could do the least amount of harm through their actions OR INACTIONS.
sorry for the long post.
02-15-2004, 05:13 PM
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Re:Election 2004
Originally Posted by willahlborn
So fast forward to present day. Weapons inspectors aren't being allowed to see the things they want to see. Sound suspicious? Yes. That's like a cop saying "show me your hands" and you keep them in your pockets. Is he going to think you've got a gun? Yes. Eventually the officer is going to have to shoot. We shot.
02-15-2004, 05:14 PM
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Oh yeah, if anyone wants to get a laugh out of our crazy *** political climate, check out this comic:
http://www.mnftiu.cc/mnftiu.cc/war.html
http://www.mnftiu.cc/mnftiu.cc/war.html
