Clutch problems
 

Well I put in a new clutch and flywheel yesterday and this isn't my first time so I didn't get any mysterious parts leftover. Problem is that clutch pedal feels really light have way down and then gets more pressure about 2 inchs before bottoming out. I can shift throw the gears and nothing is locked in place of stiff or notchy. Just the clutch pedal feels very sloppy like halfway down and when I go to start the car it gives this high pitch grinding sound like when you try to crank the ingnition when the car is already on. Help. I took off today to get this thing going. Oh and the clutch is a sprung 6puck and ACT flywheel installed into a y8 tranny and everything was torqued to OEM specs. One thing I noticed is that I'am able to push and wiggle piston on the clutch master cylinder. Shouldn't there be constant pressure on it when I push on it? Only thing I can think of is that I need to bleed the master cylinder or that the MS is shot. Only thing is that nothing is leaking or anything. Help!

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Did you bleed the clutch release before reinstalling it? I know you said this isn't your first, but its usually the obvious things we forget to do.

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I didn't bleed the clutch because it was fine the last time I swapped trannies and didn't bleed it. I just ran and picked up some brake fluid and well see if that was just it. :-\

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i'd say bleed it

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It's just like your brakes everytime you change em you bleed the lines. Just to ensure there isn't any air pockets. let us know what happens, i think this will solve your problem though.

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Alright, I Just bleed 'em and it's still feels mushy. How can you tell if the master cylinder is bad or the slave cylinder is bad?

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Most the time it will leak, just head to the parts store and get a rebuild kit, they dont cost much

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Nothings leaking though. Can they still be bad without leaking? My car was fine and the clutch assembly(master, slave cylinder, lines) were fine before hand. Just the clutch was slipping when I had my turbo in and took it out and sold it instead of replacing the clutch at the time. Now that I'm building another kit I bought a new clutch and flywheel before I install my new kit. How long does it usually take to bleed the lines? Maybe I just didn't do it long enough. I bleed it until all the bubbles were gone and I thought that was it. This sucks. ???

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You ever think that thats just the way the clutch feels? i remember after we installed a 6 puck in my friends gsr hatch it felt way different, but most the time the pedal feels heavier

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Its not cranking over. It's making this high pitch whining sound. Similar to the sound that it makes when you already have your car started and run and you try to start it up again.

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Pull the starter and look @ the teeth on the flywheel and the starter, im thinking you speaking of more of the grinding noise not whining

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I've tried two starters. So what am I suppose to look for once I pull my starter off? It just falls right out once I unbolt it? Is that normal? I asked about the bleeding part cause the pedal feels really mushy. Plus I thought the sprung 6 puck would have more heavier pedal. could I have of messed anything up installing the clutch or flywheel? The clutch plate can only go on one way and I tighten the pressure plate evenly down to 19lbs. WHAT THE HELL!!!

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are you sure you put in your throwout bearing? :-\

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I reuse the throwout bearing and put in a new pilot bearing. If I didn't then wouldn't the release fork almost fall out or just flop around? I know I did cause I had to reuse the old throwout bearing, since Autozone gave me the wrong one and the old one was fine.

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I had a friend tell me it was more likely a clearance issue with the flywheel and starter. Aren't all flywheel from 91-00 all interchangeable? Reason being is that the flywheel I was told was off a y8 and I'm running a y8 tranny and y7 engine. Even so it should still work shouldn't it? Whats the difference in earlier(88-90) flywheels and the newer(92-00)? Could it be an earlier d-series flywheel that I got and the guy I got it from just of been a moron? It doesn't have a part number on the flywheel anywhere but looks extremely like a ACT streetlite flywheel with the oval sections at the outter sections of the wheel. Looks like I may have to take this fucken tranny back off and throw the old flywheel back on. Any suggestion?

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You did put in the Pilot bearing right? its about the size of a quarter and alines the input shaft with the crankshaft. The pilot bearing is installed on the center of the flywheel. New flywheels dont come with them.

Also when doing a tranny swap next time (this goes for all of you) do not disconnect the slave cylinder, leave it attached with the lines on. So you never have to bleed it after you do your tranny swap. Just disconnect it and let it hang in the engine bay, way easier.

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probably doesnt have the same # of teeth on it

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I didn't totally disconnect the slave cylinder. Just unbolted from the tranny and hung it around the radiator hose. Pilot bearing and throwout bearing were all installed. The old one in the flywheel was shitty. I had the flywheel resurfaced too and installed a new bearing on that afterwards. I'm just thinking I might of gotten a older flywheel.

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The ACT Prolite and Streetlite flywheels only come in the 90-2002 applications. The difference on the 88-89 flywheels is the surface area not the tooth count or clearence from the Block - Tranny.

Make sure your starter is getting juice, I think onyx had a real similar problem to this once and found out it was the grounds on his chasis and his starter just didnt have enough juice. The Starter solienoid will make funny sounds if the grounds are not hooked up right.

You always could compresson start the car everyday ;)

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jeff made some really good points there and everything he said about the flywheels was correct of course ;). Anyways if your car is not starting and youve tried other starters i think you should be fine with everything. No offense but did you face the clutch the right way... Like with the springs housing facing toward the tranny? That could be your problem.

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Okay so I finally pulled the tranny back off and was so pissed I had the thing off in 45 minutes from the time I pulled it in garage to the time I had the tranny on the tranny on the floor. The throwout bearing was all ground down in the inner part and worn unevenly from where it rides on the clutch disk. Now is the throwout bearing suppose to be able to slide over the middle section of the clutch disk cause I'm able to slide it over on the stock disk but not on my new 6 puck disk. example of what I'm taking about. Notice that on the stage 1 or 2 the section that rides on the mainshaft is thinner than the section on the stage 3. Now does the throwout bearing slide over that or not even touch that? All this probably made my question more confusing.
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Also the car would shift when it wasn't started but not once it was started. And the car would only start once I manually turned the engine but hand just a little bit and then started it up but once I turned it off and then I tried to start it back up it would just make this whining noise like the starter wasn't meshing with the teeth and just grinding on the starter.

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Well I got a cx tranny(with throwout bearing!) for 20. I just used the throwout bearing and release fork from the CX and went right onto the y8 tranny. Only thing is that I used the 6 puck pressure plate since the disk is what caused the throwout bearing to go bad and put a stock y7 disk back in and it's chattering my fillings loose! Will this eventually go away or not. It's no biggie and I'll just pick up a NEW clutch sometime soon and use this one till then. "On the road again!" Note to self do not ever buy a used clutch. Maybe when I get the new clutch I'll experiment with the CX tranny but for now stick with my y8 and chattering hybrid clutch.

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well glad to hear you got your ---- back up and running, yea buying a used clutch is definately not a good idea
lesson learned

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is the chattering pretty bad on a unsprung puck type clutches cause this is tolerable for the time being but how bad are sprung puck clutch's?