Buying stock in FORD
 

Anyone thinking about it? No way they can go under waiting for shares to go near a buck and make the jump.

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i've thought about it... especially thought about it now that the govt is talking about maybe giving them a cash infusion.

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http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=F...urce=undefined

has really been staying about the same for the last year, wait till it dips down again like last month, if it ever does

gm on the other hand is ------- stupid low, closed at 2.95
http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=g...urce=undefined

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you dumb bastard.

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the government helping them isn't going to make anyone want to buy a car from them. Invest in someone they're going to buy parts from if they get a lot of capital flowing their way.

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government bailing them out/infusion of money = capital

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Yep. I predict once government cheese starts flowing their way they're going to try to move back to full production and start buying a bunch of ----. But rational people aren't going to buy cars when times are rough and when the market is volatile. Those are the only people who the banks are going to lend to.

The money Ford gets is either going to get raped by creditors, the executive management or it's going to be flooded in to car production. Which is then going to be throughly raped by unions. If you could find some company who's primary client was Ford, say someone who makes sensors for them or who they buy metal from, their stock could shoot up for a bit if and you could make some money if you kept an eye on it, but I don't see Ford pulling themselves out of anything here soon. By becoming socialized, they lose their whole Johnny market, which is bad news for them because no one buys a ford for any common sense reasons.(gas millage, reliability, quality)

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Yeah they are gonna eat it.

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Valeo comes to mind, although they build for a lot of OEMs as well as supply aftermarket parts. Not the exclusivity you are speaking of.

If this were Honduh it'd be pretty easy to buy Keihin stock. I lack the knowledge of Ford to know who/what.

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i think its a good idea, but there is no guarantee that they wont tank.

My family has been discussing it for a year or so, good think no one has bought any yet, stil droping a little bit.. and i dont see it coming up just because the gov, gives them a little money.. the need or want for new cars, by the average person is fairly low right now.

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Yeah. It's one of those things that take some looking into before you do it and may even involve some serious research.

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it will go up. i was talking to my grandfather about it because ive been loKOing into buying stock and he told me years ago one of the car companys was tanking and they got ome kind of federal loan or something and thier stocks went up 3 or 4 times the price shortly after.

it will def go up if they get bailed.

GM isnt any better of a choice then ford. you fail to forget a majority of state/govt vehices are fords, when was the last time you saw a police dept that didnt use crown vics as thier primary vehicles? their truck market it also pretty huge.

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That's mostly an east coast thing. I've never seen so many crown vics and Lincolns in my life than when I was on the east coast. Police and government around here use dodge/gm.

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The 5-0 around here are all switching to the Dodge Charger

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i'll check with my uncle before investing in ford.
hes CFO

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Buy GM...

For every 1 GM employee that looses their job (if they were to close) 10 people in North American industry (that are touched by GM) would lose their job. Hence the US Gov't won't let it happen. the # on that comes from Bloomberg and substantiated by a few other sources.

bankruptcy has been discussed and won't happen. It would put too much of a dent in consumers perception of the product. Where airlines can get away with it because they sell a short term intangible product, GM can't.

Another reason is new direction. Typically when a corp. is bailed out they need to offer up a symbol of change, in most cases that symbol is the resignation of a CEO (wagoner). This would be a good thing since while GM's stock has plumited the occurence of this has been while the company was under the direction of wagoner. A new CEO (gov't appointed) would no doubt cause a surge in the stock by investors who feel the change is a positive direction for the company.


While GM is currently in the crapper, they are hitting their financial goals of cost cutting (as reported by North American VP this week)


a bailout would also cause a jump int he stock as it would help illustrate to the public a positive direction for GM. GM has stated that they will continue with their product line as planned.


As for ford, since they made cuts and direction changes a few years ago they are in better shape then GM ,b ut still feeling the crunch. I don't think they have the product right now to see any massive financial gains. They are probably more solid long term , but the opportunity for rapid financial strength and change isn't as apparent as it is with GM.

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Cops have always driven Fords out here in AZ. FD drives large Chevy trucks for no apparent reason and most city workers drive large 4WD Chevy trucks around just to look cool I guess? I don't see why they need such large 4WD trucks to drive around town with?

Last time the police bought new vehicles they found a waaaaaay better deal out of town(Phoenix) which fucked the local dealer out of alot of money anf the cock sucking faggot had the nerve to cry that the city was buying cars for cheaper out of town instead of buying from him and getting RAAAAAAAAAAPED in the ass with a rusty fork. ::) He even whined about it in the local newspaper about how the city should be buying from him, even though his prices are outrageous because it keeps the money in the city. :1

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That's almost the same reason they don't drive fords here since GM has a plant and all the union GM workers bitch if the police drive fords. But lately they've been buying chargers because the state troopers have.

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The Charger was practically designed to be a police cruiser. Roomy, big trunk for gear, decent power to weight to price. There hasn't been a better police cruiser design made in almost forty years.

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They aren't using the Charger with the 3.5 in it, are they? It's a decent motor that gets good gas mileage, but it can't push that tank around very fast. I can see kids in mildly modded Kia's outrunning cops in your hood. :S

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You could do it but you will probably have to hold onto it for a long time. Also I would look at why they are tanking, it wasn't over night that they failed along with GM, it will take a long time to change consumer perception about their cars. Also there is a saying "don't try to catch a falling knife" , it wouldn't hurt to wait and see some evidence of their turn around before you start to buy, you won't get the best deal that way but you won't get burned either.

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Stay away from GM, not really up on Ford but I am sure they are not much better, the government cannot stop them from going under, they can only try to slow them down. They are losing something like 15 billion a month, people talk about how crysler was bailed out back in the 70's and how they turned a profit, well gues how they did that? by inventing the Minivan.

Also look at their pension obligations and how much it costs to insure their debt, the reason they can't declare bankrupcy is because they will bankrupt their insurance companies: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=a6QTsj05Md04

"Credit-default swaps on GM bonds rose 2 percentage points to 70 percent upfront and 5 percent a year, CMA Datavision prices show. That means it costs $7 million in advance and $500,000 annually to protect $10 million of GM bonds from default for five years. "

Anyway you could roll the dice and buy some stock but i doubt you will see a return, and if it does go up you better be ready to sell it fast, the market isn't stupid and the government dumping money into it will only cause the price to go up for a short period of time.

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If your gonna invest in anything right now on your own, I would put it in people who make solar panels, windmills, ---- of that nature. I believe alternative sources for energy is about to be a huge deal in '09.

The big 3 automakers is just to much of a risk at the moment for me. I understand a lot of things are a risk right now, but I dont think I would even consider ford, gm or chrysler.

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Hitchhikkr said the chargers are 6cly :1 when the ones around here have the v-8 that idles on 4cly to save gas

They sound nasty when they punch it and the thing opens up

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That would be called a "HEMI" and I don't think they idle on 4 cylinders. :P I would be shocked to find out they actually have 3.5 police cruisers. The 3.5 is slow as piss in the LX platform.

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All the local police Chargers are 6 cylinders. I have no idea about the troopers.

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I have seen under the hood of the local 5-0 and its a v-8 no doubt about it. This sucks now I have to try and get a picture of under the hood. To show what they got. I also don't know if its a hemi

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I'm not saying other places don't have the V8 cars, I'm just saying local PDs have V6. There was a big stink a few years back about 8-10 cops chasing one car at high speed, bunch of wrecks, bunch of property damage. The official policy is now no more than two officers in pursuit, at speeds not to exceed 85 mph (or something?). They definitely aren't going for anything with power... APD tried some LT1 Camaro "intercept" vehicles in '97 and all that happened to those is they were wrecked nine or ten times each, within two years the front ends on them were visibly misaligned.