Building my first bottom end. Want some advice.
11-12-2005, 09:51 PM
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Building my first bottom end. Want some advice.
ok, so after this weeks events you guys have been seeing me whine about, I am going to build the bottom end of my B16. The plan is to get some CP pistons, but I may get the tuner toys pistons if they turn out to be good. I want to get some forged rods also...not sure on teh brand yet.
Who makes the better forged B16A pistons and rods? I have seen CPs take detonation like crazy and not have a scratch. Just wondering if there are any better for close to the same price or less.
What would be more worth my while? Block guard or block filler?
What else should be done to make this block near indestructable; besides getting a sleeved dartn block?
My goal is to get at least 400whp after the build and new setup. Gotta take out the C6 Z06
I want this power level to be RE-LI-ABLE. so, whatever it takes for thatr to happen, post it up. (besides block guard if possible)
Thanks for the input guys!
Who makes the better forged B16A pistons and rods? I have seen CPs take detonation like crazy and not have a scratch. Just wondering if there are any better for close to the same price or less.
What would be more worth my while? Block guard or block filler?
What else should be done to make this block near indestructable; besides getting a sleeved dartn block?
My goal is to get at least 400whp after the build and new setup. Gotta take out the C6 Z06
I want this power level to be RE-LI-ABLE. so, whatever it takes for thatr to happen, post it up. (besides block guard if possible)
Thanks for the input guys!
11-12-2005, 10:00 PM
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Re: Building my first bottom end. Want some advice.
I would not worry about supporting the sleeves, just havae someone that knows how to tune, tune your car. So many people are making way over 500 whp on stock sleeves, ----, just the other day i saw someone make like 641? on stock sleeves. thats crazy.
CP's are decent pistons, loud pistons but decent, if you want a reliable setup i would definatly go with eagle rods and Endyne roller wave pistons (spendy at 563 plus shipping) but they are worth every penny. they are VERY quiet.
Remember to size your bearings right.
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CP's are decent pistons, loud pistons but decent, if you want a reliable setup i would definatly go with eagle rods and Endyne roller wave pistons (spendy at 563 plus shipping) but they are worth every penny. they are VERY quiet.
Remember to size your bearings right.
Tuning is Key
11-12-2005, 10:05 PM
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Re: Building my first bottom end. Want some advice.
Joseph Davis tunes my car, and I have every confidence inhis ability.
Stock sleeves can hold that much power? How much boost is this setup running? I'm prolly gonna need an SC61 at 25psi to reach my goals. or maybe something bigger at a lower pressure. Any suggestions on the turbo for the new goals? I want 9.5:1 pistons,but 9:1 will be acceptable I think.
Stock sleeves can hold that much power? How much boost is this setup running? I'm prolly gonna need an SC61 at 25psi to reach my goals. or maybe something bigger at a lower pressure. Any suggestions on the turbo for the new goals? I want 9.5:1 pistons,but 9:1 will be acceptable I think.
11-12-2005, 10:13 PM
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Re: Building my first bottom end. Want some advice.
Originally Posted by B16CRXT
Joseph Davis tunes my car, and I have every confidence inhis ability.
Stock sleeves can hold that much power? How much boost is this setup running? I'm prolly gonna need an SC61 at 25psi to reach my goals. or maybe something bigger at a lower pressure. Any suggestions on the turbo for the new goals? I want 9.5:1 pistons,but 9:1 will be acceptable I think.
Stock sleeves can hold that much power? How much boost is this setup running? I'm prolly gonna need an SC61 at 25psi to reach my goals. or maybe something bigger at a lower pressure. Any suggestions on the turbo for the new goals? I want 9.5:1 pistons,but 9:1 will be acceptable I think.
sorry it was 654whp and 467 torq on stock sleeves
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1355442
that was on 28 psi
JD is a great choice for tuner.
my friend nick made 420 whp @8800 with his b16 at 19 psi on pump gas stock sleeves.. dont remember the turbo off of the top of my head and hes in mexico on a cruise or else i'd call and ask.
How much money are you willing to spend on the turbo? and just a quick FYI a CCA intercooler wont push much more then 360whp i have tried and tried. the intake temps start getting really hot.. the cheap ebay 24x12x3 intercoolers are really good for the 200 dollar price tag, stefan (98ctr) made 575 on one..
11-12-2005, 10:29 PM
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Re: Building my first bottom end. Want some advice.
this build will be over teh next several months, so anywhere from 700 to hopefully not more than a grand for the turbo. You talkin abotu the CCA 8" when you said that? Good lookin out, I Was wanting that fmic....What are your recomebdations on teh fmic? I Was looking at a 9x3x31 fmic on ebay a week or so ago. it was like 180 shipped.
11-13-2005, 01:52 PM
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Re: Building my first bottom end. Want some advice.
Haha. This thread is giving Chris the exact opposite advice in re IC's he got in his IC thread....
I think the refusal to go over 10" IC due to bumper support is really a non-issue. If you remove the bumper support, the bumper cover supports itself and you aren't cutting any of the pieces and butchering the car - you can go back stock. Given what the vehicle is becoming... I hope you don't think the bumper support is going to save your life. Also, in 95% of parking lot fender benders and normal accidents with other drivers... the bumper support doesn't do anything. Refer to the 1,001 pictures of deceased CRX owner's rides, where the other vehicle drove up over the hood and took out the passenger compartment. If the upper portion of the frame being driven over didn't tweak the frame rails too much, I suspect the bumper supports in some of those cars are virginal...
You need to worry about a ten point cage (not a roll bar). Hell, stock CRX owners should.
This is where I disagree. For identical core sizes, tube/fin is far superior to bar/plate, *especially* the tube/fin units with the high density of internal fins. Referrence the PWR vs whatever brand it was tube/fin vs bar/plate thread on HT where Full-Rice Geoff had his *** handed to him because he insisted the lesser pressure drop bar/plate units were superior - flow is nothing when you are directly manipulating temps. hp per psi = LIES, so line right up and start forking out thousands and thousands of dollars...
That being said, Jason's GTi-R Sentra runs one. 18X12X3" core, 3" inlets, and at near-300 whp on 90 degree days the inlet endtank is hot and the outlet endtank is chilly. If you fill the front end of a CRX with a budget bar/plate unit, I'm pretty sure it will handle 45 lbs of air.
I think the refusal to go over 10" IC due to bumper support is really a non-issue. If you remove the bumper support, the bumper cover supports itself and you aren't cutting any of the pieces and butchering the car - you can go back stock. Given what the vehicle is becoming... I hope you don't think the bumper support is going to save your life. Also, in 95% of parking lot fender benders and normal accidents with other drivers... the bumper support doesn't do anything. Refer to the 1,001 pictures of deceased CRX owner's rides, where the other vehicle drove up over the hood and took out the passenger compartment. If the upper portion of the frame being driven over didn't tweak the frame rails too much, I suspect the bumper supports in some of those cars are virginal...
You need to worry about a ten point cage (not a roll bar). Hell, stock CRX owners should.
Originally Posted by gurusan
the CCA intercoolers are only tube and fin.....i'd get one of the ebay 12'' high bar and plates.
That being said, Jason's GTi-R Sentra runs one. 18X12X3" core, 3" inlets, and at near-300 whp on 90 degree days the inlet endtank is hot and the outlet endtank is chilly. If you fill the front end of a CRX with a budget bar/plate unit, I'm pretty sure it will handle 45 lbs of air.
11-13-2005, 02:00 PM
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Re: Building my first bottom end. Want some advice.
FYI, I'd go with the epoxy. Hot tank the block before you pour it.
If you want someone else to assemble the engine, quality street/strip porting, etc, I can probably get you in and out with the local machinist for a good price. Paul's built a number of 300-450 whp engines, from my SOHC to Randy's K20. If you want to DIY... get someplace *clean* and dust free to do it. With the bodyshop guys I pal around with and have shopspace with, that is impossible. That's half the reason I had Paul do my SOHC; I'm no master engine builder but one isn't required. You aren't dealing with something that needs a total rework and lots of wierd stuff done to it.
If you want someone else to assemble the engine, quality street/strip porting, etc, I can probably get you in and out with the local machinist for a good price. Paul's built a number of 300-450 whp engines, from my SOHC to Randy's K20. If you want to DIY... get someplace *clean* and dust free to do it. With the bodyshop guys I pal around with and have shopspace with, that is impossible. That's half the reason I had Paul do my SOHC; I'm no master engine builder but one isn't required. You aren't dealing with something that needs a total rework and lots of wierd stuff done to it.
