b16 swap vs. ls turbo vs. d16 turbo
02-19-2006, 02:16 PM
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Re: b16 swap vs. ls turbo vs. d16 turbo
Originally Posted by s1cpurity
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02-19-2006, 02:20 PM
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Re: b16 swap vs. ls turbo vs. d16 turbo
Originally Posted by Xgenturbo
this thread would be really informative if it wasnt for all of the NA haters...hell, even the site creator himself did an NA setup..isnt that right jeff?
It all depends what your goals are, lets not forget that horsepower and torque numbers have little to do with how fast you end up going, torque is good off the line, but there is also such thing as too much torque which kills performance on a front wheel dive car,
Why is it that a 400HP turbo civic makes it down the track and runs a 12 and then the same civic but with a good NA setup runs a similar time?...gearing and RPM have alot to do with it, the D series shortest gear tranny is the Z6 as far as I know, and the B16 will walk all over it. B series swaps are much more durable in the long run, can take much more abuse and can carry the RPM's much higher and being a DOHC they have a wider range of tuning than a SOHC.
I say you go with a B16 or B18 swap, B18 swap is more turbo friendly and will put out some very good numbers, a B16 with a perfect RS will put out some nice RPM's..
I've seen gains up and over 200HP on stock B16's with bolt ons and good cams, all this runs about as much as a good reliable turbo setup. you can then push a B16 further, get a good tune and get the RPM's up to 9k and make over 240whp.
Sure eventualy it comes to the point where the NA setup will start becoming more expensive than a turbo, but you will still be as fast if not faster, for one, there is no turbo lag, secondly you can have a much greater powerband. hell stic some nitrous in there and have 300 hp
if youre really on a budget, just stick with the D series and throw on a simple kit on it, dont get too boost happy and stay around 180 horsepower, you'll be happy with it.
It all depends what your goals are, lets not forget that horsepower and torque numbers have little to do with how fast you end up going, torque is good off the line, but there is also such thing as too much torque which kills performance on a front wheel dive car,
Why is it that a 400HP turbo civic makes it down the track and runs a 12 and then the same civic but with a good NA setup runs a similar time?...gearing and RPM have alot to do with it, the D series shortest gear tranny is the Z6 as far as I know, and the B16 will walk all over it. B series swaps are much more durable in the long run, can take much more abuse and can carry the RPM's much higher and being a DOHC they have a wider range of tuning than a SOHC.
I say you go with a B16 or B18 swap, B18 swap is more turbo friendly and will put out some very good numbers, a B16 with a perfect RS will put out some nice RPM's..
I've seen gains up and over 200HP on stock B16's with bolt ons and good cams, all this runs about as much as a good reliable turbo setup. you can then push a B16 further, get a good tune and get the RPM's up to 9k and make over 240whp.
Sure eventualy it comes to the point where the NA setup will start becoming more expensive than a turbo, but you will still be as fast if not faster, for one, there is no turbo lag, secondly you can have a much greater powerband. hell stic some nitrous in there and have 300 hp
if youre really on a budget, just stick with the D series and throw on a simple kit on it, dont get too boost happy and stay around 180 horsepower, you'll be happy with it.
if were talkin 200 whp b16a no its just not bolt ons and good cams. I was involved in a 190 whp b16a stock block like 5 years ago check out importreview.com dyno section for record holder
That was not just your typical lazy bolt on process and a set of cams. Your lucky to get 160 whp out of that set up.
02-19-2006, 08:31 PM
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Re: b16 swap vs. ls turbo vs. d16 turbo
Originally Posted by chris
no you have posted like 5 of these and i gave you damn good link with pics and every good damn thing to do swaps and then you start threads about what should I do. What you should do is go back to watchin some tuner shows on tv and buy a nopi shirt.
02-19-2006, 08:56 PM
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Re: b16 swap vs. ls turbo vs. d16 turbo
Originally Posted by s1cpurity
Yeah my old nopi shirt is getting a bit raggidy, guess it's time to get a new one. The last thread I started was seeing if anyone's dealt with password:jdm. I've decided to go the b16 route, ecspecially since i seen a bswap put down 609 hp on a dyno today. It was a sick thing to witness.
02-20-2006, 03:55 AM
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Re: b16 swap vs. ls turbo vs. d16 turbo
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02-20-2006, 10:23 AM
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Re: b16 swap vs. ls turbo vs. d16 turbo
Well just to throw in my opinion on this I started out with a stock crx si...fun as hell to drive boosted it...even more fun but left me wanting more, so i decided and am currently in the process ofr dropping in a LS swap and hopefully boosting it to around 300hp...once thats in I have a another LS I was going to build for boost either a LS/Vtec or just a boost friendly LS...I'm think a built LS is what i am going to do and when I get tired of that I'll grab a GSR, not a huge fan of a B16...but I'd suggest the LS turbo would be best for up and with $2500 you could easily make something nice and reliable, well good luck
02-20-2006, 10:31 AM
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Re: b16 swap vs. ls turbo vs. d16 turbo
Chris, you can easily achieve around 200 to the wheels with good cams, good bolt ons and a chipped ECU, I'm not talking Ebay special headers, or ---- like that, I am talking Jun/Skunk2/buddy club cams, Spoon flywheel, Omni Valvetrain, and your typical good quality 4-1 header and either ITB's or a good flowing intake manifold. with that setup and a good tune youre looking at or over 200, mind you youre also at 9K rpm, its after the 200HP range that power starts to die down, unless you have a bigger displacement, which means more gas, more tuning and bigger HP gains. but the point is you dont need 400 HP to be fast, sure it feels cool and makes a cool sound but youre then limited to turbo lag and RPM, unless you have the money to have a setup where youre boosting at 9 or 10K but then you might as well throw in a K series in a light car and call it a day.
02-20-2006, 11:49 AM
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Re: b16 swap vs. ls turbo vs. d16 turbo
Originally Posted by Xgenturbo
Chris, you can easily achieve around 200 to the wheels with good cams, good bolt ons and a chipped ECU, I'm not talking Ebay special headers, or ---- like that, I am talking Jun/Skunk2/buddy club cams, Spoon flywheel, Omni Valvetrain, and your typical good quality 4-1 header and either ITB's or a good flowing intake manifold. with that setup and a good tune youre looking at or over 200, mind you youre also at 9K rpm, its after the 200HP range that power starts to die down, unless you have a bigger displacement, which means more gas, more tuning and bigger HP gains. but the point is you dont need 400 HP to be fast, sure it feels cool and makes a cool sound but youre then limited to turbo lag and RPM, unless you have the money to have a setup where youre boosting at 9 or 10K but then you might as well throw in a K series in a light car and call it a day.
Im from so cal capital of all motor hondas. Well conserding there have been like 3 b16a's documented that made 200 whp and they all had built bottom ends. The b16a build I helped with that made 190 whp was on ctr cams and peaked at 9500. I also know what it takes for an all motor car to run 11's. 220 whp thats it. Dave from DHR ran 11.70 at 238 whp at 118 and I drove the car so trust me I know what it takes. 200 whp on a b16a is no easy #. Hell ominman made a video about it for a reason and they made 200 on Churchs dyno not a dynojet it made like 195 on the dynojet. That was with ungodly amount of tuning,every set of cams known to man,better builders than any of us will ever be and a hytech header and they still didnt get it.
