b16 swap vs. ls turbo vs. d16 turbo
 

It seems that I can't make my mind up. I've priced a few b16 swaps for around 1500 plus a couple of hundred to put in. I've priced a complete ls swap for about 1400 plus i can just turbo it later. What about the stock crx si engine boosted? Or even build it for boost? I'm only aiming at a little above 200 wheel horsepower. Any opinions on price, dependability? I'm all ears :S

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Umm, why couldn't you turbo the b16 if you say you could turbo the ls?

If price is a factor, then just turbo the stock a6. You can get 200 whp fairly easily.

And you are all dumbass for asking this question.

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dohc vtec owns you.

for the money though, id throw internals in the d series.

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Id put internals in the D16 and boost it.CRX is light and you can get more than enough power from a D16.

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You wouldn't really need internals on a D16 to make 200whp, but it might be a time bomb at 200whp depending on how well it's been taken care of.

For only 200whp go with the D series, but if you want more than 200whp B series is the only way to go.

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Yes I'm a tard for this post, i know. I have around 2500 bucks to ---- around with. I'm just worried that once i buy that b16 swap I wont have enough for the little things. Hell for the money I save I could put internals in the stock engine. What's a good build up for a d16? Block guard, pistons, headwork?

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Block posts, rods, pistons, have the block done proffesionaly, no head work. 300whp is attainable on this setup. Just ask me :P I know.

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P.m. Bizzar

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my stock b16 in my gutted hatch feels as fast as my ghetto as ---- turbo D that I put together for about $500-
ive never ran my civic in the 1/4 so I dont know exactly.
on the other hand, my boosted D was more fun to drive than the stock B16.

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did you just say you are paying someone to put it in? wtf, why? do it yourself, don't be a -----. the only way you will learn is by doing it. have a friend help you or something, but don't pay anybody to do ----. unless its like wheel alignment or something you seriously can't do yourself like head work ( i.e. port and polish)

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if this is a long-term car, go with the b16 since you will have more room for improvement later imho.....otherwise boost the ---- out of your stock motor

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Dude by 'plus a couple of hundred to put in' i mean mounts, linkage, misc. ---- like that. Def. not paying anyone to install ---- in my car, this isin't my first rodeo,hah.

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Yeah the car's gonna be a long term car...you have quite a point. There was this dude from New Orleans that had a clean ass crx with a b16 in it that had headwork done and a custom tune, he used to run with ------ honda 600 cbr's

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With that much money you could do a nice little build on a b18 for boost, and boost it.

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b18? only if it has c1 or c5 at the end, or ls/vtec. vtec all the way man, if you going dohc, make it vtec, if you are staying sohc make it vtec. vtec vtach v-tech vtech vtek ivtec

b16 is the answer

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2500 bucks isnt really gonna do much but put the b16a in the car. After tune up/clutch yes you need one/new axles yes you need them and the odds/ends your at basically 2500 conserding b16a swaps are in the 1500 range+mounts/axles etc. Wanna do it cheap and half assed well you get half assed results. Wanna play gotta pay.

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if your wanting 200whp i wouldnt get a B16 or ls when you could just build the d and have more power than the b-series and it would be reliable just cuzz its biult. :y

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what the ---- is with all the threads like this lately?

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Can I get a mod. to delete this?

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this thread would be really informative if it wasnt for all of the NA haters...hell, even the site creator himself did an NA setup..isnt that right jeff?

It all depends what your goals are, lets not forget that horsepower and torque numbers have little to do with how fast you end up going, torque is good off the line, but there is also such thing as too much torque which kills performance on a front wheel dive car,

Why is it that a 400HP turbo civic makes it down the track and runs a 12 and then the same civic but with a good NA setup runs a similar time?...gearing and RPM have alot to do with it, the D series shortest gear tranny is the Z6 as far as I know, and the B16 will walk all over it. B series swaps are much more durable in the long run, can take much more abuse and can carry the RPM's much higher and being a DOHC they have a wider range of tuning than a SOHC.

I say you go with a B16 or B18 swap, B18 swap is more turbo friendly and will put out some very good numbers, a B16 with a perfect RS will put out some nice RPM's..
I've seen gains up and over 200HP on stock B16's with bolt ons and good cams, all this runs about as much as a good reliable turbo setup. you can then push a B16 further, get a good tune and get the RPM's up to 9k and make over 240whp.

Sure eventualy it comes to the point where the NA setup will start becoming more expensive than a turbo, but you will still be as fast if not faster, for one, there is no turbo lag, secondly you can have a much greater powerband. hell stic some nitrous in there and have 300 hp

if youre really on a budget, just stick with the D series and throw on a simple kit on it, dont get too boost happy and stay around 180 horsepower, you'll be happy with it.

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no you have posted like 5 of these and i gave you damn good link with pics and every good damn thing to do swaps and then you start threads about what should I do. What you should do is go back to watchin some tuner shows on tv and buy a nopi shirt.

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if were talkin 200 whp b16a no its just not bolt ons and good cams. I was involved in a 190 whp b16a stock block like 5 years ago check out importreview.com dyno section for record holder



That was not just your typical lazy bolt on process and a set of cams. Your lucky to get 160 whp out of that set up.

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Yeah my old nopi shirt is getting a bit raggidy, guess it's time to get a new one. The last thread I started was seeing if anyone's dealt with password:jdm. I've decided to go the b16 route, ecspecially since i seen a bswap put down 609 hp on a dyno today. It was a sick thing to witness.

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son of a bitch...now i look like an even bigger tard cause that ---- didn't work...can't win em all i guess

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Well just to throw in my opinion on this I started out with a stock crx si...fun as hell to drive boosted it...even more fun but left me wanting more, so i decided and am currently in the process ofr dropping in a LS swap and hopefully boosting it to around 300hp...once thats in I have a another LS I was going to build for boost either a LS/Vtec or just a boost friendly LS...I'm think a built LS is what i am going to do and when I get tired of that I'll grab a GSR, not a huge fan of a B16...but I'd suggest the LS turbo would be best for up and with $2500 you could easily make something nice and reliable, well good luck

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Chris, you can easily achieve around 200 to the wheels with good cams, good bolt ons and a chipped ECU, I'm not talking Ebay special headers, or ---- like that, I am talking Jun/Skunk2/buddy club cams, Spoon flywheel, Omni Valvetrain, and your typical good quality 4-1 header and either ITB's or a good flowing intake manifold. with that setup and a good tune youre looking at or over 200, mind you youre also at 9K rpm, its after the 200HP range that power starts to die down, unless you have a bigger displacement, which means more gas, more tuning and bigger HP gains. but the point is you dont need 400 HP to be fast, sure it feels cool and makes a cool sound but youre then limited to turbo lag and RPM, unless you have the money to have a setup where youre boosting at 9 or 10K but then you might as well throw in a K series in a light car and call it a day.

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Im from so cal capital of all motor hondas. Well conserding there have been like 3 b16a's documented that made 200 whp and they all had built bottom ends. The b16a build I helped with that made 190 whp was on ctr cams and peaked at 9500. I also know what it takes for an all motor car to run 11's. 220 whp thats it. Dave from DHR ran 11.70 at 238 whp at 118 and I drove the car so trust me I know what it takes. 200 whp on a b16a is no easy #. Hell ominman made a video about it for a reason and they made 200 on Churchs dyno not a dynojet it made like 195 on the dynojet. That was with ungodly amount of tuning,every set of cams known to man,better builders than any of us will ever be and a hytech header and they still didnt get it.

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Yes I'd eventualy try to get a gsr engine but this is to get the car rolling :-\