anyone buy this book?
 

i just bought at amazon i was wondering if it was any good. it looks good to me

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http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0837...05#reader-link

yea im a dork

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I havent bought a book since high school. 8)

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I hear it reffered to alot throughout forums, and I've heard nothing but great things. I don't own it but would like to pick it up sometime. Someone even said it's one book everyone who's into turbo setups etc. should read.

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awesome. then my 27 dollars are well spent :D

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great book... good shitter reading material right there

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I bought it years ago and have been reading and rereading it ever since. Very good book.

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i plan on buying that book and this one sometime soon http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...books&n=507846

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corky bells a tard

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i have saw dust in my eyes right now, i cant read for ----...

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My favorite book so far. very worthy of the shitter.

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ive been meaning to buy this book ever since you told me about it, i just havent gotten to it yet :/ maybe i should figure out my money ;)

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I own and read this book. It definitely helped me out.

Corky Bell seems really knowledgable. but doesn't have the cleanest writing style in the world. He goes off on tangents alot, and tends to repeat things. I dunno how many times he says 300ZX's suck and 911TTs rule, but it was alot. He's not very good at explaining things simply and succinctly. He doesn't start with a basic explanation, and then move into more technical specifics, he just dives right into the technical stuff.

He's also a big fan of these strange self lubricating turbos, no oil feed or drain. The last chapter is a cool project, twin turboing a NSX. They spend big dollars on custom stainless manis and exhaust, spearco ICs, etc, but use a Vortech FMU for fuel management?

It's interesting to me how much in the book contradicts typical honda set ups. For instance, he thinks long skinny intercoolers suck, that wide short intercoolers are more efficient. Efficient ICs have more short cores, not a couple long ones.

Another example is exhaust and charge pipe sizing. You see lots of set ups with 2.5-3" charge pipes, which Bell says would be way too big for the size engine and turbo used. Same with exhaust...he says bigger isn't better, that for 200-300hp applications, 2.25-2/5" exhaust is right. Hondas are rocking 3" and even 4" exhaust

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that one looks like it should be next on my list to get

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not everything he says is law..it's just his opinion

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very awesome book. buddy of mine has it, i read it everytime i take a ---- at his place. I think i read more while takin a ---- than i do all day on the internet. :P

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my exhaust was 2.5 and it made very good power.

ppl rockin 4inch exhaust on a honduh thats not a race car are ricers ;)

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i just ordered How to Tune and Modify Engine Managements Systems

figured i better do it now while i can.

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I have to agree with the charge piping part, I mean the outlet on a T3 is just over an inch incide diamiter and 2" outside, My charge piping will be 2" inside diamiter, It will be enough for my 300Horsepower application, will be faster flowing and much less pressure drop.

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I've heard that the info in that book isn't up to date with today. I was skimming through a friends book on turbo compressor machines, and that had alot of technical, but good info. I'll try and find the name, and author.

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ive got:
1.how to build high performance honda engines (2 of 3 volumes)
2.how to build high horse power engines
3.2 of the 3 series honda how-to books.
4.how to build suspension

and to be honest, I get just as much, if not more on the forums, between this and honda-tech. :-\
I read all of those books before i found web forums.
you read it in the book, and all you see is someone building a motor, and throwing it on a dyno, as to on the forums you see someone building it, testing it, tuning it, what worked, what didnt, what problems they had...all of that good info thats just as good as how they built the thing, IMO.

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the book is only like 4 yrs old, maybe its just me buti dont think physics changes in that amount of time ::)

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He's really close minded on ----. He just raps on water injection, a lot of other crap. Overall it's a good book, can't beat it.

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He must've gotten it wrong then.

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Technology changes fast. An FMU is basically obsolete technology now. I was very disappointed when I got that book, its more of a beginners guide to a turbo instead of a book on max performance and turbo theory

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Yeah, when I put my setup together, I decided to go with Bell's advice. The engineering degree and years of race experience had more influence on me than the mad jdm tite honda set ups. Also, looking at stock turbo cars helped me out alot.

I went with 2" charge piping with smic, and 2.5" full exhaust w/a 14b on my A6. Works pretty good.

I personally think big ass FMICs on little 1.6s running 8psi is ricey. You add so much more piping, bends, and volume. I think it's for the bling-BLANG-NUKKA looks.
Bell says this is the better design for a bigger IC:
http://www.roadraceengineering.com/p...c-sameside.jpg
Not this(which is what most honda peeps run)
http://www.roadraceengineering.com/p...-39-39-low.jpg

The best basic explanation of how turbos work as a system, I've found is here:
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/turbo4.htm

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What Corky bell says and what happens in reality are two completely different things. aloit of kids read that book and preach it like its the bible. Do you really think people who have Hondas pay lots of money for big intercoolers just for the bling bling factor? ::) ---- no, its becuase they're proven to work. And that Corky Bell intercooler design sucks for Hondas becuase you only can fit a small core in there and the way intercoolers remove heat is through the cores.


Corky Bell's book is alot more opinion than fact

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Check out the Spearco site.....the size you see on lots of hondas 3"x8"X28" is suitable for 580 hp applications. You think a A6 with a t25 is gonna be pushin 600 horse? BUT SH!T LOOKS TITE DUN! LOOK AT DAT ----. FILLS UP DE HOLE BUMPA. O0 yO!

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i dont see many 500hp cars running 3x8x38. plus spearco intercoolers displace heat alittle better than the avrage core. so the avrage core would need to be alittle bigger. than the spearco core. meh :)

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i got this book about a year ago and reread about every two weeks.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...080652-9029422

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Who the hell is running a 600hp intercooler on an A6 with a T25? ::) If you think big intercoolers are ricey than more power to you. The more surface area of a heat exhanger, the better it works. Thats not my opinion thats just want I learned in my Engineering thermodynamics classes. There is really no downside to running a big intercooler, if you want the bare minimum and think thats acceptable than more power to you. But as for my I'd rather buy one that leaves me plenty of room to upgrade so I don't have to deal with the hassle of having to sell the inefficient one and buying a new one. Its kind of like running these huge exhausts, there really is no downside to it. The greater the pressure differential on the turbine wheel the faster it will spool, I don't give a ---- what Corky Bell says.


And also the mentality that "one kid did it this way and it worked so it must be the right way" is wrong. Back in the day people were running lots of boost with FMU's and booster pumps and it worked, does that mean its good...no.

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alot of these old guys are very one track minded, they dont listen and are very opinionated. many of them think that since were younger we must not know as much and they are alot smarter. It really pisses me off to see this because ive seen it from time and time again, espeically at the drag strip with a bunch of domestics and 50 year old guys, they think that we arent ----, and our cars arent fast. we get stereotyped because of our age.

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fight the good fight mang!

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Yeah that was kind of a dumb example.. I know peeps with mini-me's and junkyard kit aren't blinging the $800 spearco....they're buying the egay knock-offs of similar size......which have worse flow, more pressure drop, not as good cooling efficiency. I just put those numbers up, cuz I could find them quickly and thought most peeps would trust Spearco's opinion.
Search egay for fmic and civic.
http://search.ebay.com/civic-fmic_W0QQsojsZ1QQfromZR40
If you really want I could find you some cars with pinner turbos and gigantuan ICs, like no need for bumper the IC is the bumper.

Everything has tradeoffs. A bigger core has more cooling, but also more pressure drop. Also every bend in your charge piping causes a bit off pressure drop. So say a small IC(with less bends in the charge piping) takes out 70% of heat, and causes 1psi pressure drop from compressor outlet to the intake manifold. If you put a bigass FMIC on there that took out 85% of the heat, but caused 2.5psi pressure drop, where would you be? You'd be cranking up the MBC, making the turbo work harder to get the same 8psi in the IM. The temp of the charge coming out of the compressor outlet would be higher, so that85% heat removed is of a higher heat. It'd take the turbo longer to reach 11.5psi at the comp out than 9psi, so you'd get more lag. You'd also be running a little T25 out of efficiency range. You'd also have the factor of significantly more volume btwn the comp outlet and the IM, again causing lag.
I mean it seems just like a turbo to me: you don't want it too small, but you also don't want it too big either. Like 17"s on a civic, I think a bigass FMIC on a low boost small turbo and small engine, is too big, works worse, is for looks=RICE. On a built motor running lots of boost from a big turbo, yeah it is right for the job. I hear what you're saying about buying with room for upgrades, though.

Same deal with the exhaust. Bigger is better for WOT under boost....but it's bad for low end torque and non-boost. Big ass exhaust makes n/a to boost more on/off....not so hot for being on and off the throttle when cornering and stuff.

As far as my car goes, I don't want to spend crazy $$ on it, and don't have any crazy goals for it. I like driving rolly twisty roads fast. I just want to have more fun in it, and have fun working on it, learning how to make it work better. That's kinda why I was bringing up these differences. Learning new sh!t is half the fun for me.

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Wood doesn't work well in engine bays sucka! Put that ---- in your steam car, and then it'll do some good.

J/K


Corky is all about efficiency with that intercooler buzz. I'm no Physics genius, but I agree with 4wdwagon that on a small setup, the big stuff is overkill. Just find your map for your compressor, and run it at optimal efficiency to reduce heat, if you're not getting the power you want, don't just turn the heat(boost) way up, upgrade to a bigger better turbo that flows more efficiently, and you'll be happier and more reliable in the long run.