Any One Have a Roll Cage Or Roll Bar?
 

Im getting a swap in the near future and i wouldn't mind having a 4 point roll bar and harnesses. due to the fact my friend just flipped his 91 zc hatch.

what brand do you all have? pictures?

thanx. and here is some pics from his end over end flipping.

http://www.dtmpower.net/ppost2/data/...driverrear.jpg
http://www.dtmpower.net/ppost2/data/...ewheel-med.jpg
http://www.dtmpower.net/ppost2/data/...verear-med.jpg

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ouch. :o

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that looks like it was fun

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he's lucky to be alive. he was thrown from his car because he didn't have his harnesses' lap belt buckled. 3 times he wnet end over end. car=trashed

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http://www.dtmpower.net/ppost2/data/...driverrear.jpg


Looks like he has a little bit of a camber problem now. ;D The car actually doesn't look that bad, but looks can be decieving.

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yea. this was about a week ago. the pics suck. it really is pretty fucked. the whole frame is twisted.

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Shells are cheaper than american hospitals...

Since everyone here is into ghetto why not make one?

Get the rulebook from a racing body and find out what materials they require. Then use a bender to fabricate the hoop and backstays. You can fishmouth the pipes with a holesaw and the plates for the bottom are fairly simple to do. Then weld or get a competent welder to weld it in.

Most of the bolt-in/purchased units I've seen were not worth anything. They frequently divide the main hoop, use a thinner and lighter material and generally build it as a show piece...

-Michael

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I have a 4 point with a cross bar.Kinda heavy but someday it might save my life ;D.Its made by racerxcesseries.they are a local shop.They mostly make bumpers and roll bars for off road trucks.I paid $350 for it.

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It may save your life if and only if there is also a roll hoop. If there is no hoop there is as much or greater chance it will take your life in a rollover.

I am a strong believer of at least a hoop and 2 backstays. This summer when it's warmer out I will have one of these in my GTX.

-Michael

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mine will have a roll bar w/ cross bar and harness bar. and 2 back bars....still deciding where they are going to go.....

either mount threw the rear speakers. or the flat top parts in the very rear of the car.

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---- that you live in md (i think) drive to pa to s&w chassis and get one for 149.99 for the 8 point i got the10pt(79 malibu) fits lik a glovehttp://www.swracecars.com/roll%20bars%26cages.html

dont listen to this redneck he will get you killed

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The rear stays should weld to a plate on the rear strut. You can also weld a bar in from this point straight across. Depending on the geometry of the car you can usually use this as a tie bar for your shoulder straps. This will add protection for a side impact as well as really stiffen the chassis.

-Michael

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That doesnt make sense.Its a roll bar.Do you understand that?

---- you dipshit.

annyways this is the one I havehttps://www.ioportracing.com/images/racerollbar.jpg But on mine the center cross bar is removable.

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take a joke^^^

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Just pointing out the fact that many people put the cross bar that goes across the B pillars and wear their 4-5 point belts like that. It's all fine and good but if you flip it over at any speed the roof collapses and snaps your neck like a twig. The OEM belt in that situation would allow you to slide sideways.

A roll hoop and a rollbar are one in the same but a crossbar provides no protection against the roof collapsing.

-Michael

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https://www.homemadeturbo.com/beau/thumbs/rearcage.jpg you cannot attatch the harness to the backcross bar the track officials spanked me for it

https://www.homemadeturbo.com/beau/thumbs/borace2.jpg

its a art morrison cage

Beau

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If it's at the proper angle why did they take exception to that? It's not only permitted but a generally accepted practise in rally.

Here are some pics of the car we ran the year before last in the Ontario Regional series.

http://topnotch.i8.com/DCP_0610.jpg
You can see where the belts anchor...

http://topnotch.i8.com/25voy02.jpg
That would be me hanging on for the ride.

http://topnotch.i8.com/DCP_0603.jpg
The cage was certified a few years back and would not pass current standards as they've added a lot of extra requirements. This was a former ITR racecar but you can see generally how a cage would be laid out.

-Michael

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he told me it would allow the shoulder belts to strecth too much looking at those pics my rear cross bar is further back than yours maybe theres a length limit

Beau

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Come to think of it I think there is a limited length but the actual belt designers do not exceed that length anyway. We have a minimum of 3" wide too so that will affect the stretch.

My instinct says that you probably want a small degree of stretch anyway so it takes up the deacceleration force of the body. Trust me, we rally guys are crazy. Fly down a narrow twisting dirt road with patches of ice and trees brushing each side of the car.

There is a reason why me, the navigator is the only one who knows how fast we're going (no speedo for the driver to get scared). Last Tall Pines we did I think we hit 130km/h. This in an 85hp FWD VW... The open class 4WD 300bhp cars can hit 200 in some spots.

-Michael

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Beau, the harness' stretch a lot on impact, and that is definitely the reason it won't pass tech attached at the rear bar.

3" web is the current standard, although 2" web is going to be allowed in 2006 SCCA if used with a HANS device.

As for roll bars, like a good simple 4 point, look to Kirk Racing products in Alabama. I have a full weld in 6 point cage from them, and it is very stout.

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how heavy are they? heavy enough for me to loos power?

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I've got a 4pt with a harness bar, it's an Autopower bolt in that's been slightly modified, makes me feel way safer though, and definately stiffens the car up. I'm gonna have a custom front section welded in within a couple months though....

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I figure a roll cage is just half of a tube chasis why not go all the way? ;D

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Here's a few pics of Jhill's cage

https://www.homemadeturbo.com/jim/cage1.jpg

https://www.homemadeturbo.com/jim/cage2.jpg

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Wow thats really nice and clean as hell

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jeff, you got any pics of the exterior/engine of that yellow car?

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http://www.proflowdesign.com/images/prturn3a.jpg

http://www.proflowdesign.com/images/crxspokane.jpg

http://www.draglab.com/thunderhill/jim.jpg


http://www.draglab.com/thunderhill/jimjeff.jpg

Me and Jim @ the redwoods w/ all the awards from the WCHC.

https://www.homemadeturbo.com/jim/tune1.jpg

Inside.. AEM standalone baby =)

https://www.homemadeturbo.com/jim/bay.jpg

Stock B16a
Proflow Throttle Body
Ys1 lsd Trans
Lt Flywheel
Custom 2 1/2 exhaust
Aem Standalone (obd1 conversion)
DC sports header
MSD ignition

1/4 mile was what? 13.7 or 13.9

Thats all I can think off the top of my head, you can ask jim.

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looks like that thing needs some sways. other then that i like it. :)

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Jhill's cage is really nice. You can see differences between the rules. In rally you must have 3" belts but it is also acceptable to tie in suspension points. You can clearly see in jhill's setup the suspension points are not tied. This would make the car handle far better at high speeds but obviously it's not permitted.

Also, you probably will want to have at least one passenger seat. This is one reason why I suggest going with an FIA rally style cage as it will protect both occupants and tying into the suspension points it will make the car handle better.

-Michael

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sways?? if hes got a beautiful cage like that i'm sure hes got sway bars.

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Look at him in that corner. That's a lot of body roll hurting his cornering. I'd second the upgraded swaybar issue. Depends on the track though. Swaybars and higher spring rates can all be made to do the same basic thing but other variables are usually affected. Suspension tuning is a science and I'm just an amateur.

-Michael

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That cage acts as a giant sway bar. You know how much that cage probably stiffens up that car? The body roll is typical for a "street" car, he's probably doing some serious g's on that turn

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I noticed that you have different wheels on both sides of the car. 2 white 2 gunmetal.

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if your near seattle my buddy says he is thinkin about making a roll bar setup for a CRX and using my car as the mold. it will be a SCCA cage...so your car wont pass inspection if you bust off a 11.99 or better (i asked already and he knows all the racing rules). if anyone is interested i will get on him about making them...

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this thread is old ;) ;D

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well what is the requirement for busting into the 11s in like NHRA or IHRA for cages?