another politcal thread? iq??? what?
12-03-2008, 03:41 AM
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Re: another politcal thread? iq??? what?
obama is a socialist and mccain is a socialist
obama is more of one i guess than most.
almost everyone in washington is socialist
and yes, because of those things obongoo is a socialist.
obama is a loser and you are you flacopower. ******
obama is more of one i guess than most.
almost everyone in washington is socialist
and yes, because of those things obongoo is a socialist.
obama is a loser and you are you flacopower. ******
12-03-2008, 04:44 AM
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Re: another politcal thread? iq??? what?
Originally Posted by random-strike
obama is a socialist and mccain is a socialist
obama is more of one i guess than most.
almost everyone in washington is socialist
and yes, because of those things obongoo is a socialist.
obama is a loser and you are you flacopower. ******
obama is more of one i guess than most.
almost everyone in washington is socialist
and yes, because of those things obongoo is a socialist.
obama is a loser and you are you flacopower. ******
12-03-2008, 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by flacopower
Please explain to me how he is a socialist? Because he believes that all Americans should have their basic social needs met? If anyone is socialists its the current administration with their $700 billion bailout and their $7.6 trillion worth of Federal Loans. How is giving the middle class a tax break socialist at the expense of the upper class while giving the upper class a tax break at the expense of the working class is considered sound economics?
Libertarian= conservative. Maybe not as mindless as some of the other neo cons but still off the reservation. Look man I have had this discussion a million times before the election and no one has provided a single substantiated argument on why Obama IS a socialist. He has won, the American people have spoken in a big way.
The best you idiots and closet racists can come up with is an interview from 2001 where he talks about reparations and the fact that the constitution once excluded people like him and an interview with a plummer who makes 40,000, beats his wife, owes back taxes but yet thinks Obama is a socialist because he wants to give him a tax cut
Here is a better video that shows how dumb the theory of Obama as a socialist is. McCain supported the same tax plan back in 2000.... http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=tGvtq4UYNIE
Libertarian= conservative. Maybe not as mindless as some of the other neo cons but still off the reservation. Look man I have had this discussion a million times before the election and no one has provided a single substantiated argument on why Obama IS a socialist. He has won, the American people have spoken in a big way.
The best you idiots and closet racists can come up with is an interview from 2001 where he talks about reparations and the fact that the constitution once excluded people like him and an interview with a plummer who makes 40,000, beats his wife, owes back taxes but yet thinks Obama is a socialist because he wants to give him a tax cut
Here is a better video that shows how dumb the theory of Obama as a socialist is. McCain supported the same tax plan back in 2000.... http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=tGvtq4UYNIE
12-03-2008, 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by CoreyR
obama met with 41 governors to talk about another 700 billion stimulus package today or something it was on the news. so hes not any better. but ---- it ill take the free money, otherwise some other shitbags ust gonna get it.
12-03-2008, 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by flacopower
Shifted through that long *** post and basically you said that Obama is a socialist because he wants to redistribute wealth. Its funny you say that because under that premise the United States has been socialist since the ratification of the 16th amendment that allowed the collection of a PROGRESSIVE tax code. That means the more money you make, the more you pay. This 'redistribution of wealth' is not some liberal anti-American socialist policy thought up buy Marxists, but rather how the US Federal Government collects revenue.
As far as giving money to people that refuse to help themselves you need to stop watching FoxNews and actually listen to him speak. After becoming the PE, he has said the number one thing that he plans to cut funding from the federal budget is what? Entitlement programs! So there goes that argument.
And finally the assertion that Obama believes that the governments responsibility is to provide an equal field. That maybe what YOU think Obama thinks, but from what he has said he wants the government to provide opportunities to those that want to help themselves. He has promised to give student loans to those that are willing to commit to public service. Isn't that the complete OPPOSITE of socialism?
Don't be mad or bitter because an educated intellectual black man is now the leader of the free world as opposed to an idiotic honky tonk that can barely compose a cohesive sentence...
As far as giving money to people that refuse to help themselves you need to stop watching FoxNews and actually listen to him speak. After becoming the PE, he has said the number one thing that he plans to cut funding from the federal budget is what? Entitlement programs! So there goes that argument.
And finally the assertion that Obama believes that the governments responsibility is to provide an equal field. That maybe what YOU think Obama thinks, but from what he has said he wants the government to provide opportunities to those that want to help themselves. He has promised to give student loans to those that are willing to commit to public service. Isn't that the complete OPPOSITE of socialism?
Don't be mad or bitter because an educated intellectual black man is now the leader of the free world as opposed to an idiotic honky tonk that can barely compose a cohesive sentence...
I haven't said anything about him being black. I couldn't care less what his skin color is as long as he's intelligent. So why do you have to turn it around and make it racist by calling Bush an idiotic honky? Insulting McCain Doesn't offend me. I'm not bitter that Bush isn't president. I'm not bitter that McCain isn't president. The only thing I was arguing was that Obama is a socialist by definition. Why do you have a problem with that? I haven't grouped the term with "Anti-American" or any other negative connotation, yet, it upsets you. Why?
12-03-2008, 12:27 PM
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Re: another politcal thread? iq??? what?
Originally Posted by flacopower
Hate to burst your bubble but you won't be getting any of it.... its a 500 billion stimulus and unlike the Republican giveaway this one is actually aimed at stimulating the economy. It will create a new 'new deal' and allocate a shitton of money to energy technology development which realistically at this point is the only real shot we have. We don't manufacture, we can't bank, IT can be done cheaper elsewhere, so without ET we will be SOL.. Again Obama's policies showing that he is against socialism and for progressing this country. I can not think of another person better suited to lead us through this crisis..
The new deal was bullshit, and obama is just trying to be the next FDR. Spending is not the answer.
12-03-2008, 07:46 PM
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Re: another politcal thread? iq??? what?
Originally Posted by E-b0la
It may SOUND good what he's doing, but that's out (over)tax(ed) dollars he's using to support bailing out GM, Ford, AIG, citigroup, Fannie mae, freddiemac,..............it goes on and on.
The new deal was bullshit, and obama is just trying to be the next FDR. Spending is not the answer.
The new deal was bullshit, and obama is just trying to be the next FDR. Spending is not the answer.
Originally Posted by rawr
When the government creates opportunities for people to help themselves, that's socialism. When the government bails out a company that's going to fail, it's socialist. When the government institutes a progressive tax code, it's socialist. Just because some of his policies are capitalistic, doesn't mean he's a capitalist. Socialist acknowledge that they need someone to produce wealth so that they can control it. So Obama having some capitalistic leanings is not suprising. He's said a few times that he'd like to remove wealth from a concentrated group and ------ it around, or give opportunities to small businesses at the expense of medium to large businesses. That's all socialist by definition.
I haven't said anything about him being black. I couldn't care less what his skin color is as long as he's intelligent. So why do you have to turn it around and make it racist by calling Bush an idiotic honky? Insulting McCain Doesn't offend me. I'm not bitter that Bush isn't president. I'm not bitter that McCain isn't president. The only thing I was arguing was that Obama is a socialist by definition. Why do you have a problem with that? I haven't grouped the term with "Anti-American" or any other negative connotation, yet, it upsets you. Why?
I haven't said anything about him being black. I couldn't care less what his skin color is as long as he's intelligent. So why do you have to turn it around and make it racist by calling Bush an idiotic honky? Insulting McCain Doesn't offend me. I'm not bitter that Bush isn't president. I'm not bitter that McCain isn't president. The only thing I was arguing was that Obama is a socialist by definition. Why do you have a problem with that? I haven't grouped the term with "Anti-American" or any other negative connotation, yet, it upsets you. Why?
"Socialist acknowledge that they need someone to produce wealth so that they can control it."
Dog take off the tin foil hat...
"When the government creates opportunities for people to help themselves, that's socialism."
Absolutely positively WRONG. No thats the government being a government. If the government is creating undue or unjust opportunities for some of its citizens while purposely destroying opportunities to others THAT is socialism. Student loans and the like are an investment the government makes. For example, if the government gives me $10,000 in grants so that I can go to college, once I complete school I will make more money thus my tax liability will increase, thus they will recover their initial investment.
"When the government bails out a company that's going to fail, it's socialist. When the government institutes a progressive tax code, it's socialist. Just because some of his policies are capitalistic, doesn't mean he's a capitalist. "
Agreed on part 1 and 2. But sentence 3 effectively ends your argument:
Just because some of Obama's policies MAY make him socialistic, doesn't mean he's a capitalist.
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12-03-2008, 07:55 PM
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flaco you're a ------- moron and have absolutely no clue what you're talking about
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Constitution
figure it out, the US constitution limits the powers of the federal government.
redistribution of wealth in any form is socialism.
move to europe if you want to be a big govt poor loser your entire life. some people like to get rich by working hard, being smart, or being lucky.
ps: ---- off
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Constitution
figure it out, the US constitution limits the powers of the federal government.
redistribution of wealth in any form is socialism.
move to europe if you want to be a big govt poor loser your entire life. some people like to get rich by working hard, being smart, or being lucky.
ps: ---- off
12-03-2008, 07:58 PM
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Re: another politcal thread? iq??? what?
definition of socialism
socialism -–noun
1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
2. procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.
3. (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles
so·cial·ism
Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.
The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which collective ownership of the economy under the dictatorship of the proletariat has not yet been successfully achieved.
Please read, how is he not a socialist?
http://davidtjordan.wordpress.com/20...es-of-america/
socialism -–noun
1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
2. procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.
3. (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles
so·cial·ism
Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.
The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which collective ownership of the economy under the dictatorship of the proletariat has not yet been successfully achieved.
Please read, how is he not a socialist?
http://davidtjordan.wordpress.com/20...es-of-america/
12-03-2008, 08:07 PM
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Re: another politcal thread? iq??? what?
Originally Posted by flacopower
Basically you said that Obama is a socialist because he wants to redistribute wealth.
Originally Posted by flacopower
Its funny you say that because under that premise the United States has been socialist since the ratification of the 16th amendment that allowed the collection of a PROGRESSIVE tax code. That means the more money you make, the more you pay. This 'redistribution of wealth' is not some liberal anti-American socialist policy thought up buy Marxists.
Originally Posted by flacopower
As far as giving money to people that refuse to help themselves you need to stop watching FoxNews and actually listen to him speak. After becoming the PE, he has said the number one thing that he plans to cut funding from the federal budget is what? Entitlement programs! So there goes that argument.
And finally the assertion that Obama believes that the governments responsibility is to provide an equal field. That maybe what YOU think Obama thinks, but from what he has said he wants the government to provide opportunities to those that want to help themselves. He has promised to give student loans to those that are willing to commit to public service. Isn't that the complete OPPOSITE of socialism?
And finally the assertion that Obama believes that the governments responsibility is to provide an equal field. That maybe what YOU think Obama thinks, but from what he has said he wants the government to provide opportunities to those that want to help themselves. He has promised to give student loans to those that are willing to commit to public service. Isn't that the complete OPPOSITE of socialism?
