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I was going to post this in the other threads, but I wanted everyone to see things from a Military point of view. As most of you know, Im a Marine. I spent some time over there and did my job, not complaining one bit. From what I have noticed, most of you that form opinions are basing them off of someone elses views and thoughts. What you see on TV is so much different than being over there. Look at things like this....

If I could make a movie, it would be called why we are at war and would include the following scenes...

* A "montage" of numerous mullahs and imams whose non-stop spewing of anti-American and anti-Semitic speech incites further hatred and violence.

* Another montage of "joyous Arabs" dancing in the streets after virtually every successful act of terror.

*Scenes from the destruction of the World Trade Center: jets crashing, people jumping from the upper floors, the towers' collapse, the months-long digging through the rubble — and the excruciating body-identification task faced by the medical examiner's office.

* The "beheading videos" — from reporter Daniel Pearl right through to Korean Kim Sun-il....

* The charred and mutilated bodies of four Halliburton workers hanging from a bridge in Fallujah.

* Post terror-bombing scenes from Bali, Madrid, and Istanbul. Ditto for Riyadh, but with additional footage of the recent attack showing the 22 victims whose throats were slit.

* The Saddam Hussein "torture videos," photos of the mass grave sites containing 300,000 Iraqis and photos of Kurdish men, women and children killed by chemical poisoning.

* Footage of the pregnant Israeli woman and her four daughters murdered by two Palestinians who then put an additional bullet in each child's head and one in the abdomen of the mother.



I could add so much more, but then people wouldnt read this, so I will leave it to that, and if you would like, add to it. If you have any problem with the US being in Iraq, buy yourself a $800 plane ticket and take your ass to Iraq and just spend 12 hours there. Your view will change. I will promise you.

BTW< I havent seen the movie at. Does anyone know where I can download the movie, other than Kazza?

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www.emule-project.net

same as kazaa but better.

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dam now im gonna go home and down load that biatch during lunch. gotta love the T3 I pay $35/month for.

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whats your download speed in kB/sec? I get 400ish with my cable :P

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I cant find where to download the movie at!

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you have to connect to a server.. go to that website and search the new user faq and setup. It's a great prog once you get it running.

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dam, i cant get to it! can you send me a link to the download. ---if not maybe you will just have to call me tonite, and walk me through it.

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cannot connect to server

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you have to "update the server list".

Go to the emule-project website and search for "server list".

also, if u have a firewall forget it ;)

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after all what you said why would you want to watch the video?

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to see what everyone is talking about.

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i see fair enough..well expect to get pissed off after you watch it..

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yeah I have heard the same thing.

although, everything that he does 'wrong' isnt really wrong. I will make that opinion once I see the movie. I cant start making blind sided opinions.

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sccaeg you will be pissed off after you watch the movie. moore edits scenes so that it'll show a wounded iraqi kid (most likely from a bombing by a terrorist) and then show a completely different (doesn't have anything to do with the other scene) of some marines high fiving each other.

im mean the two videos arent' even from the same month let alone at the same time. he just tries to make it look like the marines are high fiving each other after they frag some little kid.

moore is a fat peice of ----

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I would not mind watching it to see what all the fuss is about, but right or wrong, you have to understand that this guy has an agenda, and the power to cut, edit, change, whatever he wants in his movie to present his point of view. So pretty much, most of the movie will not be based on facts, but based on that fat bastard's opinion. Is Bush right or wrong? I don't know, I have no personal opinion, but the reality is that moore manipulated alot of fotage to fit his purpose.

and that kids is my .02 cents

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blocked gy firewall....ohh well. guess I didnt need it that bad anyways!

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I am not going to flame you Random, your argument is perfectly valid.

But let's look at what Moore's objective was. He is not a truth-telling journalist, he is a political flamer.

His purpose was to design a movie that would draw in LARGE crowds of people and hold them in a mental stasis while he slowly formulates opinions in their head. Unless you're smarter enough to catch on to this before you watch the film, you're going to get pulled in. This is why America is in the shape its in; most people go by uncited, and unsupported facts to generalize their information - rather than referring to the source.

Bush's actions, the war, whatever they're all debatable about ethical stances but we can't formulate any opinion when we only look at one sides case (obviously Moore is antagonist to Bush).

I'm not saying you are wrong or anything, because you're not. But of course that movie is biased :) Thats his objective.

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To the soldier that made the post originally, I am curious why you think that country needed so much reform?

I have two friends that are in the military. One of them is in the army (deployed until August), and the other in the air force that is leaving for there next month (unknown when he will come back).

My friend in the army has wrote countlessly about how much it sucks out there. I mean, the weather, the people, everything in general. He is extremely home sick and doesn't feel like we're making any difference out there.

I cannot say that I have the most accurate opinion about the war, but I can say with a solid tone that we really didn't belong in there at this time. To much was going on at home, a falling economy, a rising deficit, and security breaches.

I know that Saddam Hussein is one of the worst humans to ever live; he needs to be punished (though in my opinion he should have been put on trial before the UN, rather then just his country, since he was in fact a ruler of a nation. I don't see how a ruler can be succumbed to his own laws.) Anyways thats for another argument.

I am just asking what it is specifically that makes you think we had to be there? I know from what I have been told out there, the people are very distrusting on the most part of Americans. There is still alot of rampant Islamic militants running about, and he and most of the other soldiers have been told numerous times not to trust any of the Iraqi's (because of the suicide bombings). Anywyas he really has no personal political opinion about the situation, because he can be extremely against it - and yet he still has to serve his time out there. So he's kind of just given up on it.

Now you're coming from almost an entirely different approach, please fill me in. I would like to know what you feel (and no I am not being sarcastic).

BTW, he was a guard at a base near Boulder, CO. Only enlisted for the GI bill to get through school. Why did you enlist?

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People are ignorant and do anything to get and be the center of attention. I myself would just like to say this is a voting year and keep in mind the actions taken by president bush for his term to determine who you are voting for, even though the canidate for president are nothing to get excited for. :X

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Correct, Moore's argument is "irrational". He doesn't apply to the rule of a "sound" argument (a sound argument is an argument which has truthful claims [evidence] or irrefutable claims. If we accept the claims in such a matter then logically the conclusion is true as well).

Moore attempts to overwrite the soundness of his arguments by appealing to the ethos of anger. This is a powerful way to deliver a message, and only some people can tell when they are being played this way (especially if this occurs in a day to day event).

Anyways, I am starting to ramble.

I just had to add an opinion about supporting the President.

I dont think as a country we have to agree with the President; we were founded upon the principle that we can say and think what we not (its great). The president is a representative of the people, if the people don't say anything about feeling mistreated then the president cannot improve conditions and there is no progress.

I will accept responsibility for the actions of this country, because I enjoy the benefits of the country (Socratic). However one of those benefits is that I may speak freely and criticize freely. Though I feel that when I do make criticism I base it on facts, rather then stipulation. I attempt to analyze the situation, and deliver it as little in a method that is directly insulting and more creatively critical.

Instead of making fun of the situation or just being a critic, I try to think up proper solutions.

I try to share my solutions with others because it is the only way to strengthen the outcome. Sometimes you can't think up everything on your own, and another person can give you important feedback.

Its one thing to say that the war is wrong. Its another to explain how it went wrong, or why it is justified - depending upon the evidence that you present.

If you're going to make the argument, you should have valid evidence (and a sound argument) to support you.

I hope I didn't bore everyone.

I'm going to bed.
!!

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well i just came back from watching the movie and let me just say it was very well done in th way that when you leave the theater you see Mr. Bush as a warmonger and an evil man. While i didnt need this film to make me feel this way it did fuel the anger inside me that wishes all this nonsense would stop and we would tend to more important things at home than in other countries.
I being a father and seing the images of the little boy who was dead after an explosion had torn his little feeble body, made me sad and almost felt like crying because it was really depressing and hit too close to home. That could have been my son, cousin, nephew, what ever. I just wish that children would not have to suffer the way they do in situatiuons like this.
I know that its not always like this but still it happens and it sucks.

i know im rambling on but i just thought i would share with you guys how i felt after seing this film. I personnally think war is not the answer, not this war for that matter...

oh yeah and whats up with those Marine recruiters??? those guys where hardcore....

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your son may just end up tore apart in a bomb blast if we don't do anything about it.

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guys arguing about p2p sharing. Overnet and the fasttrack network are completely seperate. Just wait for a better release to come out, I don't download shitty theatre cam rips or telesync bullshit. DVD rips or DVD-Screeners for me. Try bit torrent for your needs, it's the 3rd gen of file sharing.

I thought the movie was going to be cool, cause movies with a name and a number are cool, like... passenger 57 :D

I don't watch the previews or catch up with the current events. I'm now not going to watch that movie cause it sounds like a bunch of confusing bullshit. I downloaded the bowling for columbine movie but haven't bothered to watch it, looks stupid. I watch mostly horror movies for the entertainment value and action movies for the hell of it. When I watch a movie I don't want to be "inspired" or politically challenged. I want to be entertained. I want to spend 8 hours watching the lord of the rings cause the special effects rock, not to get an education on middle earth.

If I want the confusion or a load of bullshit AM radio and the internet is full of it.

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I myself being a Marine, being over there in the Desert, going through Baghdad, you name it, I have been there. You have no idea what things are like over there. The innocent people are being killed by there own people. The iraqs' knew that the Marines were going to be blowing the ---- out of everything.(and we did) I went over to Iraq Feb. 13, 2003. When did the war start? March 27th. They knew we were there. They should've gotten out. If someone was going to come through your town and blow the ---- out of it, would you keep your family there? ---- no you wouldn't. You would find any way possible to get them out.

Julio- you have no idea. When you are over there, you are in a totally different world. If you think that the President is doing the wrong thing, go live somewhere else. Get the ---- out of America. For someone to come on our ground and do what they did,..you know what Im not going to argue with an ignorant, stupid, son of a bitch that you are. I think you should join the rest of the fuckers who are leaving this forum because of the things that have been said.

If you could see what Saddam did to his own people...
If it were for people like you hitler would still rule.
Hitler = Saddam

I think you need to think about things in a real perspective. ------ liberal...

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"your son may just end up tore apart in a bomb blast if we don't do anything about it."


Don't count on that. I'm not going to start a fight but... George W Bush's oil and Saudi ties are not propaganda, that is fact, and that is all we need to know to want him out of office. September 11th was the work of Saudi terrorists everyone forgets. Iraq has never perpetrated a "terrorist" attack on the United States. So, for Random to say that our kids would be blown up if we weren't in Iraq is completely false. Iraqis never blew anything up in the United States, and the reason we aren't in Saudi Arabia is because George W Bush is buddy buddy with the Saudis. There is no way to argue against that, all that is just fact.

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::) Where do you come up with this info at?-saudi's ::)
Find me a peice of evidence that supports what you say. Have you heard of Bin Ladden? the taliban... He admited to the WTC tradegy. Now they are linking Bin Laden with Saddam....Come on man. Think about what you are talking about.

the oil thing I can agree with you.--but thats a small issue. if thats all you can come up with, and thats how you make your opinions, I think you need to read a little bit more, and listen to the news for 15min of your day on your way to work, before you waste the air everyone else needs.

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who are we fighting right now in iraq? they are mostly forgein terrorists. where would we be fighting them if we wernt in iraq? would we be? would they be planing osme huge attack? probably

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Ha, have I heard of Bin Laden? There are documented private meetings that have taken place with the whole Bin Laden family and GW Bush in the White House! They're both big into oil I have heard. Try http://www.americanfreepress.net/10_...orge_w__b.html We flew every Bin Laden living int he United States out of the United States on the only active planes on September 13th. Hmm, figure that out. You think that the only reason we are in Iraq is because we are fighting foreign terrorists? Well, if they werent terrorists, they are now, they hate what we are doing to there country, hate it. That is what happens when you kill or cause to be killed 16000 of their people. I showed you evidence, now you show me evidence of their being Iraqi terrorists that were "plotting" against us, oh, and it has to be before we ruined there country. Also, you can't pull the "This is propaganda" card on my website. I'll try to find some other good websites but you may have to realize not everything that doesnt agree with you is propaganda.

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did you read that ----? I think you should.


then we will talk. until then go out side and practice falling down. im on my way.


just shut up. you just made a big ass of yourself. read that.


MODS LOCK THIS UP>.....

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How is showing the ties between the Bin Laden family and Bush showing an ass of myself. Yeah, I read it. George Bush senior was into oil. GW started his own company with money from Salem Bin Laden. Bin Laden invested in his company and then when it tanked Bush sold all his shares to get rich before the company went down the tubes. It just shows the tie with Salem Bin Laden. Did you think I was showing a tie between Osama and GW?? I was just showing the Saudi Arabian oil ties. Which is important because the terrorists were from Saudi Arabia, Bin Laden was from Saudi Arabia, and so are all of GW's business partners. Explain to me about the being an ass part again?

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The insurgents in Iraq are not necessarily terrorists, its a harder term to define. I guess in the sense that they are wounding citizens and are cowards in their "holy war" they are.

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Setting up emule to work to it's fullest potential is a bitch for the newb. For one you got to open up ports on your firewall/router.

Sometimes your ISP knows which ports they use and blocks traffic through them so you have to change them.

Don't get me wrong emule has everything you can imagine, it just may take a week to download it. :-\

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You have to play with your router/ports to get any p2p to opperate efficiently.

I guess it's a good thing most newbies have no hardware/software (no router) firewalls installed and just run their computer thru the USB directly into the cable/dsl modems

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well think, if we were invaded by say china or someone and they were trying to put communism in place of current government you would fight back wouldent you? not all people see our way of life as the best thing to be had. Some people are still after the power over there and any form of government is anyone establishes unless its there own. And i see a few of you have been scared and think everything is comeing over here to kill us ETC.. tht is just sad.

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I got emule working!!!

that is so bad ass!!!