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buk9tp 04-19-2008 12:13 AM

2nd mistrial in miami terrorism case
 
my dad hadnt done ---- no proof he did anything and he got convicted..

these guys took money, trash talked the govt on hours of tapes talked about doing ---- and thought up ways to attack soft targets all recorded on mother ------- video tape and theyre ------- defense is that they were "just joking" and they get a ------- mistrial.. my dad didnt do jack ------- ---- and hes sitting in a jail cell right now...

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/nat...48&format=text

Deadlocked jury forces 2nd mistrial in Miami terrorism case

By Associated Press | Wednesday, April 16, 2008 | http://www.bostonherald.com | U.S./ South Region
MIAMI - The second trial of six men accused of plotting attacks on Chicago’s Sears Tower and FBI offices ended with a second hung jury Wednesday, an embarrassing blow to a case the Bush administration had cited as an example of nipping a devastating terrorist attack in the bud.

U.S. District Judge Joan Lenard declared a mistrial when jurors reported they were deadlocked after 13 days of deliberations in the case of the so-called "Liberty City Seven."

The first trial ended in December in a hung jury for the same six defendants and the acquittal of a seventh. Lenard set an April 23 hearing where federal prosecutors say they will announce whether they will pursue another trial.

"There’s no way to spin this other than to say this is another stunning defeat for the government," said Matthew Orwig, former U.S. attorney in Texas who served on a Justice Department terrorism and national security panel.

The defendants were arrested in a June 2006 operation hailed by the Bush administration as a prime example of the post-Sept. 11 strategy of preventing terrorism plots in the earliest possible stages. Yet there was no evidence the group ever acquired explosives or took concrete steps toward staging the attacks; they did have a handgun and a few machetes.

The case was built on hundreds of FBI audio and video recordings and the testimony of two paid FBI informants, one of whom posed as an al-Qaida operative sent from overseas to help the group put together its plan. One key video recording showed the informant, known to the group as Brother Mohammed, having the men make an oath of allegiance to al-Qaida.

But the group’s alleged ringleader, Narseal Batiste, testified that he was faking interest in the plots in hopes of conning $50,000 out of Mohammed, whose real name is Elie Assad.

The six could have faced up to 70 years in prison if convicted of four conspiracy charges.

It’s rare for federal prosecutors to lose at all, with a conviction rate of over 90 percent across the country. It’s rarer still for a case to endure two mistrials and go to trial a third time.

Defense lawyers indicated in court they would seek to have the men released on bail at next week’s hearing.

Jurors in this trial first reported a stalemate last Friday and sent out a second note reporting an impasse on Tuesday. Each time, Lenard ordered the seven-man, five-woman jury to keep trying.

"They’ve deliberated. They’ve discussed this case inside and out," said Rod Vereen, who represents defendant Stanley Phanor. "At this point, enough is enough."

The jury refused media requests for interviews. Their identities are being kept secret under Lenard’s orders, and deputy U.S. marshals barred reporters from speaking directly with the jurors after the mistrial was announced.

Batiste led a sect called the Moorish Science Temple that blends elements of Judaism, Christianity and Islam and does not recognize the authority of the U.S. government. The group met at a building called "the Embassy" and later at a warehouse wired for eavesdropping by the FBI.

Batiste, the only defendant to testify, said his group was focused on doing charitable works in the impoverished Liberty City neighborhood and on helping their construction business. Prosecutors said the group was plotting to wage war on the U.S.

Some defendants took pictures of the FBI office and other federal buildings in Miami, which prosecutors called surveillance for future attacks.

Batiste is overheard on the tapes comparing the U.S. government to Satan and talking about mounting "a full ground war," but he insisted on the stand that he wasn’t serious.

Batiste attorney Ana M. Jhones told jurors the group was set up by the FBI informants and the case was pursued only because of the Bush administration’s zeal to make high-profile terrorism arrests in the aftermath of the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks.

"This is about justifying the unjustifiable," Jhones said in closing arguments.

The man acquitted after the first trial, 33-year-old Lyglenson Lemorin, is facing deportation to Haiti over the same terrorism allegations. Only one of the remaining defendants is not a U.S. citizen.


MikeJ-2009 04-19-2008 12:28 AM

Re: 2nd mistrial in miami terrorism case
 
I thought you could only be tried for a crime once, or is that only if you are found not guilty and doesn't apply to a hung jury?

HMTguy 04-19-2008 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Stealthmode
I thought you could only be tried for a crime once, or is that only if you are found not guilty and doesn't apply to a hung jury?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_jeopardy

buk9tp 04-19-2008 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Stealthmode
I thought you could only be tried for a crime once, or is that only if you are found not guilty and doesn't apply to a hung jury?

mistrial means retry.. technically they havent been tried because the judge deemed it a mistrial..
the jury has to come back with a verdict.. or say that they cant agree..
if they say they cant agree the person is let off,, and they cant be tried again.. but if the judge declares a mistrial then the person is retried

i practically begged our judge in letters to just declare a mistrial.. even sent her a list of a ---- ---- ton of reasons to declare mistrial.. told her you have enough things here to declare mistrial 100x over.. why wont you do it?

w/e

Jorsher 04-19-2008 12:50 AM

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You should go on tv with it.

Judge is probably more scared of the people that might be pissed about him/her letting a "terrorist" escape than his little terrorist son.

HMTguy 04-19-2008 12:59 AM

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Tersts

Secondaries 04-19-2008 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by buk9tp
mistrial means retry.. technically they havent been tried because the judge deemed it a mistrial..
the jury has to come back with a verdict.. or say that they cant agree..
if they say they cant agree the person is let off,, and they cant be tried again.. but if the judge declares a mistrial then the person is retried

i practically begged our judge in letters to just declare a mistrial.. even sent her a list of a ---- ---- ton of reasons to declare mistrial.. told her you have enough things here to declare mistrial 100x over.. why wont you do it?

w/e

What proof did they have that your dad did anything? They won't convict on just circumstancial evidence, cuz the prosecution has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendent is guilty. They must have had some pretty compelling evidence fingering your dad.

buk9tp 04-19-2008 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Secondaries
What proof did they have that your dad did anything? They won't convict on just circumstancial evidence, cuz the prosecution has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendent is guilty. They must have had some pretty compelling evidence fingering your dad.

not a god damn thing..

on the contrary we had videos showing the aide and a guy testifying that 3 out of every 4 boxes for his aide ---- came from my dad.. also all this ---- that they say my dad did happend early 90's and he had nothing to do with any of his codefendents.. other than talking to one of em on the phone..

they have nothing on my dad.. its just that the jury was retarded. the deliberations were expected to last a week.. i think the jury finished in less than 5 hours..

one of the jurrors interviewed after the trial said that she had "all but made up her mind" even before the trial began
another one said my dad did alot of good things but also did alot of bad things.. and when she was asked to specify some bad things she had no ------- answer

this is all complete ------- bullshit

but its fine.. come appeal my dad will get off..

buk9tp 04-19-2008 02:24 AM

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kifah_Jayyousi

ichbinsobose 04-19-2008 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Secondaries
fingering your dad.


Ricky101 04-19-2008 02:33 AM

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is your dad really in jail??

RotaryGeek 04-19-2008 08:41 AM

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you must not read much.

78NOVA 04-19-2008 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Ricky101
is your dad really in jail??

you sir, are a :1

if you search, you will see maybe about 3 or 5 threads about buks dad.........

RotaryGeek 04-19-2008 04:37 PM

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Did buk ever post exactly what he got charged with and what actually happen? I think i remember seeing the charges once, but don't remember if he ever said anything about what exactly happened.

signorelli21 04-19-2008 06:43 PM

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basically he was convicted of conspiring to provide support to jihadists in chechnya and bosnia, but there was some thing with mujahideen/alqueada getting tossed in there so they say he was helping terrorists.

I think the difference is that the bush administration made a big deal out of saying they had stopped a huge plot to detonate a dirty bomb and he trained with al queada and all this ----, then they kept him in a military brig for 4 years without beiong convicted of a crime because he is a enemy combatant, now of course they can't just let him go because he can sue for quite bit and it will become yet anouther scandal.


J-SMITH69 04-19-2008 07:03 PM

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that wiki artical was written by buk

they should just deport buks dad and these other clowns rather than keep them in jail or even try to convict them

QikEnuF 04-19-2008 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by random-strike
that wiki artical was written by buk

they should just deport buks dad and these other clowns rather than keep them in jail or even try to convict them

---- off. Don't you have a klan meeting to be attending? I know they are on Saturday's around here...

buk9tp 04-19-2008 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by random-strike
that wiki artical was written by buk

they should just deport buks dad and these other clowns rather than keep them in jail or even try to convict them

actually it was written by my dad and its 100% factual.. show me one thing that isnt factual about it..

when all this ---- started up...

http://www.adl.org/main_Terrorism/jayyousi_41305.htm


At a bond hearing on March 30, federal judge Steven Whalen expressed concern that the government's case was weak, noting of the evidence in the FBI's affidavit that "much of this information involves an expression of political opinion."
that was a magistrate who took the time to look at the ---- MY DAD was accused of in the trial which is pretty much nothing.. and he said what he said.. fast forward to the trial.. and the govt is saying alqaeda 91 times in opening statements when my dad had nothing to do with alqaeda.. infact.. alqaeda wasnt even formed back then ::) or its roots were formed but we were funding it up the ass to fight the russians ::)

signorelli21 04-19-2008 07:44 PM

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yea whats funny is that the CIA was supplying weapons and training to the mujahideen during the russian invasion (ever seen rambo 3 ?) so padilla went to prison for helping these same people during the same time period, well i guess we should start rounding up all the SF guys that served in afganistan because they trained terrorists.


in other news..... whats with the ------- pope? where i work the overhead monitors are stuck on fox news 24/7 and all they have been showing is the ------- pope, all day long, omg they don't even do that ---- for the president.

buk9tp 04-19-2008 08:02 PM

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notice how they refer to him as a freedom fighter ::)

one of the biggest things is that in all the translations that the translators made everytime mujahideen was said they translated it to freedomfighter.. the govt came in and had there own expert change it and keep it to mujahideen which is an arabic alliteration of the word.. so now theyre coaxing the jury :l

http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=4042676&page=1


The Real Charlie Wilson
From Playboy to Freedom Fighter, Charlie Wilson's Secret War in Afghanistan
Dec. 22, 2007 —


In the 1980s, Charlie Wilson seemed the unlikeliest of crusaders.

He was best known as the hard-drinking, hard-partying Texas Congressman with a penchant for beautiful women.

He is now lionized, however, in the new blockbuster "Charlie Wilson's War" as the one-man wrecking crew who helped defeat the Soviet army in Afghanistan. And the real life Charlie Wilson led a more flamboyant life than the star Tom Hanks who plays him on the screen.

"Charlie may have been the only believer in the United States that the Afghan people could actually expel the Soviets. He had his own personal jihad," said Lawrence Wright, author of "The Looming Tower: Al-Qaeda and the Road to 9/11."

The real Charlie Wilson, now 74, has retired from both Congress and from his days of drinking. But he's as brazen as ever.

When ABC News' Bob Woodruff spoke with the former congressman on "Weekend Good Morning America" today about those days, decades ago, Wilson was asked about the reports of his cocaine use.

"Nobody knows the answer to that and I ain't telling," Wilson joked.

"How many dates did you have? How many women did you sleep with?" Woodruff followed up.

"Gosh I didn't keep count (Laughs)," Wilson replied.

But among Wilson's bevy of beauties was a tenacious Texas socialite named Joanne Herring -- played by Julia Roberts in the movie -- who opened Wilson's eyes to Soviet brutality in Afghanistan.

Once Wilson met Herring and she told him about the horrors of the Afghan war, he says he got more serious. "Mines that looked like they were toys would blow apart, blow off [children's] hands," Wilson recalls learning from Herring.

"Charlie said this had to stop. Not only does it have to stop, but it has to stop there before it comes here," Herring said.


Charlie's Covert War
Although the CIA was funding Afghan Muslims to fight the Soviet Union, Wilson wanted more money and more weapons because he thought the communists could be beaten faster. As the head of the House Defense Appropriations Subcommittee, responsible for funding CIA operations, he was in a position to help do that under the public's radar.

With Wilson's support, nearly a billion dollars was allocated to help the Afghan Mujadhideen's jihad to expel the Soviets, including a key $17 million for stinger missiles to shoot down Soviet attack helicopters.

The Soviet army called it quits in Afghanistan in 1989, striking a major blow to the empire. Within one year the Berlin Wall fell and Wilson remembers that day vividly.

"I believe that was the most electrifying moment of my life," Wilson says. "I watched Peter Jennnings. I had a bottle of champagne I was saving for such an occasion and I broke it open. And gave [the Mujahideen] a little toast."


Aftermath
The U.S. cut back support and money for Afghanistan after the Soviets' withdrawal and civil war broke out. Wilson regrets the pull back and says that if the U.S. had stayed, "We would have had a friend in the Muslim world which we could use."

With the U.S. and Soviets out, foreign terrorists moved in. Osama bin Laden who fought alongside the Mujahideen, returned to Afghanistan and contributed to the rise of the Taliban regime and 9/11.

Wilson doesn't blame 9/11 on the U.S. withdrawal though.

"We would have had something like 9/11 anyways. I think that bin Laden had his course pretty well set... But when you fight a war, you do what you think you need to do at the time. What seems right at the time is what you do," Wilson says.



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stillnoturbo 04-20-2008 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by signorelli21
ever seen rambo 3

hahaahahahahahha

Guy-Fast 04-20-2008 01:52 AM

Re: 2nd mistrial in miami terrorism case
 
I never knew any of this. Is your dad in jail currently?

buk9tp 04-20-2008 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by stillnoturbo
hahaahahahahahha

yea dude that ---- is real read my post i made right before you lol'ed


Originally Posted by chris
I never knew any of this. Is your dad in jail currently?

yeap, sentenced to 8 years lol


buk9tp 04-20-2008 05:00 AM

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charlie wilsons war the movie is coming out on dvd on tuesday.. go rent it..

Jorsher 04-20-2008 04:03 PM

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Is your dad going to sue if his appeal goes smoothly?

Sounds like a buncha bs to me.

buk9tp 04-20-2008 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Jorsher
Is your dad going to sue if his appeal goes smoothly?

Sounds like a buncha bs to me.

i dont think he will.. my dads too nice lol and if he does sue it wont be for any outrageous number.. lol

in the appeal it will be my dad alone and if u take out his codefendents there is nothing on him...


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