Water Injection 2008
12-22-2007, 10:23 PM
#25
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Re: Water Injection 2008
12-28-2007, 09:06 PM
#26
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Re: Water Injection 2008
Why do all the nig-nogs have to ---- on perfectly sound, albeit (that means 'although', ***********) uncommon ideas not used in OUR community?
Although using just water isn't all that helpful with low IAT's, using a mix of methanol+water helps regardless. Methanol supplies both fuel and oxygen, as well as boosts octane. Methanol helps makes more power at any psi/iat due to the fuel & octane aspect. Most cars at the limit of their fuel run 50/50 mix, and all you need is the -25F washer fluid (40% meth) for a cheap mix. I was actually reading everything on the Devilsown website (sell progressive injection controllers/kits), and everything there supports the evidence that meth works, but works best only when your setup is maxing out due to something (usually gas or turbo).
FWIW, my friend's Evo 8 used to make mid 400's (iirc it was 437awhp) with a stock turbo, and the only mods were increased boost, a better tune, a clipped turbine, and Meth Injection. He has a 55gal drum of methanol sitting at his mom's house. I can't get you dyno sheets, since his car just came back from some place in Chicago or Ohio, and past 600awhp with the new gt35 & ----.
Although using just water isn't all that helpful with low IAT's, using a mix of methanol+water helps regardless. Methanol supplies both fuel and oxygen, as well as boosts octane. Methanol helps makes more power at any psi/iat due to the fuel & octane aspect. Most cars at the limit of their fuel run 50/50 mix, and all you need is the -25F washer fluid (40% meth) for a cheap mix. I was actually reading everything on the Devilsown website (sell progressive injection controllers/kits), and everything there supports the evidence that meth works, but works best only when your setup is maxing out due to something (usually gas or turbo).
FWIW, my friend's Evo 8 used to make mid 400's (iirc it was 437awhp) with a stock turbo, and the only mods were increased boost, a better tune, a clipped turbine, and Meth Injection. He has a 55gal drum of methanol sitting at his mom's house. I can't get you dyno sheets, since his car just came back from some place in Chicago or Ohio, and past 600awhp with the new gt35 & ----.
12-30-2007, 02:04 PM
#27
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Re: Water Injection 2008
Originally Posted by HiProfile
Why do all the nig-nogs have to ---- on perfectly sound, albeit (that means 'although', ***********) uncommon ideas not used in OUR community?
Although using just water isn't all that helpful with low IAT's, using a mix of methanol+water helps regardless. Methanol supplies both fuel and oxygen, as well as boosts octane. Methanol helps makes more power at any psi/iat due to the fuel & octane aspect. Most cars at the limit of their fuel run 50/50 mix, and all you need is the -25F washer fluid (40% meth) for a cheap mix. I was actually reading everything on the Devilsown website (sell progressive injection controllers/kits), and everything there supports the evidence that meth works, but works best only when your setup is maxing out due to something (usually gas or turbo).
FWIW, my friend's Evo 8 used to make mid 400's (iirc it was 437awhp) with a stock turbo, and the only mods were increased boost, a better tune, a clipped turbine, and Meth Injection. He has a 55gal drum of methanol sitting at his mom's house. I can't get you dyno sheets, since his car just came back from some place in Chicago or Ohio, and past 600awhp with the new gt35 & ----.
Although using just water isn't all that helpful with low IAT's, using a mix of methanol+water helps regardless. Methanol supplies both fuel and oxygen, as well as boosts octane. Methanol helps makes more power at any psi/iat due to the fuel & octane aspect. Most cars at the limit of their fuel run 50/50 mix, and all you need is the -25F washer fluid (40% meth) for a cheap mix. I was actually reading everything on the Devilsown website (sell progressive injection controllers/kits), and everything there supports the evidence that meth works, but works best only when your setup is maxing out due to something (usually gas or turbo).
FWIW, my friend's Evo 8 used to make mid 400's (iirc it was 437awhp) with a stock turbo, and the only mods were increased boost, a better tune, a clipped turbine, and Meth Injection. He has a 55gal drum of methanol sitting at his mom's house. I can't get you dyno sheets, since his car just came back from some place in Chicago or Ohio, and past 600awhp with the new gt35 & ----.
Nobody shat on anything, except the thread I was trying to keep clean, in that they want to know what "works".
Yes meth works by adding thermochemical potentia, as does water, I just explained why. I really wanted someone to step up and be like, "I don't know what ya'll's problem is, squirting water and methanol will yield power returns, my buddy's car made x amount with this and x amount of this with this, this, and this done."
No ----.
The more energy required to explode the fuel the more heat energy you can throw at it.
Originally Posted by HiProfile
my friend's Evo 8 used to make mid 400's (iirc it was 437awhp) with a stock turbo, and the only mods were increased boost, a better tune, a clipped turbine, and Meth Injection.
But that's neither here nor there, our "community" happens to be more power, or faster, for cheap. No one else on here gives a ---- about being an import elitist, because we know imports fail anyway, they are simply cost effective- sometimes.
02-01-2008, 02:15 PM
#28
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Re: Water Injection 2008
This is a fairly good discussion of the practical setup side of it :
http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=292953
the only ones i would consider are PWM and port PWM, preferably the latter driven from the injector channels for a good fuel:water ratio at all times.
http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=292953
the only ones i would consider are PWM and port PWM, preferably the latter driven from the injector channels for a good fuel:water ratio at all times.
02-15-2008, 09:22 AM
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Re: Water Injection 2008
http://www.rbracing-rsr.com/waterinjection.html
A bloody load of really good, yet redundant with respect to the cases presented here, information.
Seriously there is a lot of ---- to read on that page.
*Ninja edit:
That ------- site has everything you'd ever need to know about water injection and a good bit about engines in general.
Oh, and for you piffy fools who want some kind of magic numbers there's a calculator at the bottom of the page to do all your work for you, well practically.
A bloody load of really good, yet redundant with respect to the cases presented here, information.
Seriously there is a lot of ---- to read on that page.
*Ninja edit:
That ------- site has everything you'd ever need to know about water injection and a good bit about engines in general.
Oh, and for you piffy fools who want some kind of magic numbers there's a calculator at the bottom of the page to do all your work for you, well practically.
