Toyota 3SFe Engine
 

I have a 1997 Toyota RAV4. Yea, I know, WTF? But is is cool and runs very well. It does have some goodies like
Magnaflow Muffler 2.25, and Borla Tip, Pace Setter Header, Random Performance Cat Converter, TRD Thermostat, TRD Radiator Cap, K&N Intake filter TRD Quick Shift, RAV4.1L Front Tower Brace, H&R Springs, Bilstein, [Bilstein Rear SPORT Shocks Reordered] Intake Filter, 2003 Rear Tire Hard Cover, Hella Front Drive lights, with OEM 80/100 watt bulbs, Clear front Markers, Rear Reverse Lamps and rear brake lamp , Manik Front Safari Bar, 1998 Rear Taillight, and TRD front Anti-Sway Bar, Yokohama AVID V4s 235/60/16, Energy Suspension Poly Bushings rear suspension, Kenwood Receiver, Alpine 40X4 RMS AMP, Infinity Speakers. Power Stop Slotted Front Disc Brakes, Magnum Hi-Performance Stainless Steel Brake Lines, Twin Derale Engine and Gear Box Oil Cooler, Next Level Performance Tri-Phase module, Front and Rear Spacers 1.25, Nology Spark Plugs and Wires, MSD 6A MSD Tach Adapter, MSD Blaster SS Coil. Performance Oil Pump, bought, Performance Aluminum Performance Water Pump, bought. Pivot Ground Kit, Pivot Raizin Stabilizer, DEI Exhaust Rap on Header and Pipe.

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This is what I got. What else do I need. My RAV4 has the reliable 3SFE engine, 5speed.
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3SFE
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My question is: What else do I need to get it working?

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Welcome man. Always nice to see people doing different projects. Look at the link below for the missing pieces.

https://www.homemadeturbo.com/forum/...?topic=28135.0

The "SEARCH" function is very helpful.

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dude thats awsome, but 2 questions. what do you plan on doing with the extra 2 injectors? seconday fuel to compensate for boost? and what kinda engine management

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The 2 injectors I'll keep just in case anything goes wrong with another one. I'm planning to buy the Greddy E-manager. With larger fuel injectors I don't think I'll need an extra injector, but you never know. What do you guys think.

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That's pretty cool. Charge piping?

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order up a 3s-gte mr2 rear clip, then, swap engine,tranny and ecu in that beast

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I was thinking of that but I know this guy in Australia [Andrew] He did the same thing. After weeks of installation and gobs of money. When he started to use the engine he discovered that the block had a crack. Here is the link with many photos. http://www.compact4wd.com/rav4oz/for...sp?TOPIC_ID=15
His RAV4 is one of the best looking RAV4 in the world. But doing this, with surprises like these, will take a lot of time money and effort. This is my everyday vehicle. I'm studying in the university and I'm a school teacher. I just want the basics. Nothing fancy, just simple bolt on power .

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The 3SGTE is a really good engine... but I don't like how EVERYBODY does it!

I thnk you've got a good setup going. You'll obviously need some chargepiping, but as for engine managment, there's only one thing I can say: SMT6

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I've already researched SMT6. To tell you the truth I just heard horror stories. Once they sell you their product, your on your own. Never the less, they do have a Turbo RAV4 project, but it's an A/T one. In my case, My RAV4 is a 5 Speed. :-\

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Greddy emanage should work fine.Looks like you have a pretty cool little project.I guess some charge pipes,silicone couplers and a boost guage.I seen a Rav4 a few years ago in a magazine and it was pretty quick with a turbo kit.

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Don't buy just from perfect power. Are you talking about Sea2Skytuning? They helped me with everything! very good guys. I would recommend talking to them.

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Yeah, boost a 3sge if you blow the 5sfe up. ---- a 3sgte O0 3sge will run you like 360 bucks and its about the same damn motor, exact same block. where as on the 3sgte swap your paying 1300 dollars for a poopy intercooler and a ct26 with a manifold that will probebly hit your starter when you put your front wheel drive transmission on it.

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I would keep with the 3sfe. Some nice headwork, a nice turbo and that would go like hell.

BTW, the FWD tranny doesn't get in the way of the ct26/3sgte manifold combo ???

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yeah but the 3sgte manifold doesnt bolt directly to a 5sfe.. u have to modify (cut the ---- outa) the alternator mount, or cut the manifold.. i chose to cut the 3/4 in. manifold flange cuz im a genius 8) .. i hope it doesnt crack now.. haha.. o well HMT style. :

this is in the way.
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cutom mod.
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you sure? all of the toyota nation guys told me it would hit the starter, and on the awd tranny and the mr2 the starter spins backwards and is mounted on the transmission side? if it doesnt get in the way ill just throw a 3sgte manifold and turbo on my next set up.

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Why are you on Toyota Nation? No offense, but most of those guys are flaming idiots.

Celicatech.com

Multiple (over 100) 3SGTE swaps using the S-series tranny, no starter problems.

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lol snafub.. i thought i saw u on toyotanation yourself. :y

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well that makes my manifold/turbo to damn easy.. i could deffinatly fit one of the 3sgte top mounts and intake manifold too. oil pan and oil lines.

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5s-fe, not a 3s-fe.
Secondly, SMT6/7's own your mother, and kill their equivilant competition in both how much they can do, and cost, including e-manage.
Werd 2 rawr. The A140E, and S54 transmissions are not a problem for the manifold, or turbo. You will not ahve a problem with your starter.

Be careful for god's sake. I can't say that enough. 3s/5s-fte projects alwasy fail on non mr2 applications. Normally because:
1) The builder & tuner is a ------- moron
2) The person driving the car is a ------- moron.


5s-fe's have proven to only make 230bhp reliably, in a great tune that doesn't lean out, or have a closed-loop tuning hole. Don't try for more without building in some very good safetymeasures like water/ethanol injection. The i4 intake manifold doesn't distribute evenly under all conditions. Be sure you over-fuel it everywhere.





Speaking of which... What size injectosr are you using? God forbid don't tell me 315cc Denso light-greens. You need mroe fuel than that. I don't give a ---- what certian people on TN tell you - notice they always blow up.

Buy an SMT6, then use it's extra injector output to run an extra injector before the throttlebody. That will ensure that you get an even mixture, that you have enough fuel to send a pisto, or rod into 30-40 little pieces, and it's a hell of a lot easier to tune.
Speaking of which... If you took two of those injectors & installed them before the TB, you could leave the stock injectors alone, let the stock computer run off-boost like normal - then simply add fuel VS boost. Then tuning is reduced to nothing more than sitting down to do a hand ful of math. You have 0 closed-loop/open-loop transition tuning holes, and off-boost economy remains the same.

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where did u get that oil pan lol?? o well i just tapped mine for like 7 dollars :P.. anyways.. let me knowl

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i throught 3sget manifold will only fit 5sfes, not the 3sfe.

BTW does anyonw knows where are the different on exhaust port design between 2nd gen and the 3rd gen 3sgets (diamention wise). I.E what makes the manifodls not interchangable.

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3s/5s will share both heads, and manifolds.
You can make a 3s-fe into a 3s-fte, 3s-ge, or gte - it will just have honda weak pistons, rods & retaining ahrdware.
You can make a 5s-fte, 5s-ge, or gte.
Building a 5s-ge & gte hybrid is descently common because it's a 2.2L bottom end.f


The manifolds will swap between any heads.

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i think the bolt pattern is the same, i think its just the ports on the older 3sg motors are ------- huge for factory ports and wouldn't be portmatched, but this is hmt who cares.

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i heard something about how the 3gen ports are equally spaced out on the flange compare to the older one where the ports are ------ed to both side and leaving bigger gap in the middler

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i thought 3sfe was 4th gen............................................... .................................................. ...... and one of my cars (another 5sfe) is a 98 and has the "gaP" like o o o o .. like you were talking about.. all 5sfe do.