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Alright guys, i have found out that im going to need a rebuild for my tb0356 (leaking oil on exhaust side). Anyone here or anyone do this here at a resonable price? I would try majestic turbo but dont now prices for this service. Any one now some prices? Any help will be appreciated...

-Thanks

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blaast performance seems to be the place

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Nice site man, Any others? Anyone?

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blaast...+2

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gpop also rebuilds them... Normal price seems to be $200-$300 range for a standard rebuild. Actually replacing internals can cost more.

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If it's leaking oil then there is a good chance that the turbine seal and ring land is shot. If that is the case then the center cartridge is more than likely worn too. T3's are throw away turbos and the cost to rebuild one simply isn't worth it when you can buy another for less than $100. The problem there is shady sellers who have no idea of how to judge what is a usable/good condition turbo and one that they just want to get rid of. It's not that T3's are only worth $100, it's that most of them are rusty pieces of ---- already. I've been rebuilding turbos for 15 years and have seen it all.

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Yeah, here on HMT, we love people who have seen it all. :3

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Your website still states the GM series as being RHB6, which they're not. The GM1-8 are RHC6 as I have already told you. It also states that the GM1-8 is comparible to a TO4E, they're not. In terms of size, they're comparible to a TO4B S trim. In terms of flow, they're sligthly better but still aren't a 500 hp turbo. I'll give you 400+ but not 500 hp and definately not on a small displacement engine without it being on the edge of disaster.

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So i should throw my turbo as far as i can cause it ain't worth rebuilding? Wouldn't it be better to have it sent to a rebuild shop and see if there are no major problems? I'd rather have it rebuilt and not having to worry about it rather then buying a used one and not knowing that it is on it way out... Input please!

Blaast, im going to give you a call later...

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You can always disassemble it yourself and inspect it before sending it anywhere. If the oil retainer ring is worn, you'll know it. If the turbine ring land is worn, you'll know it. If both are worn then there is a very good chance that the center cartridge is worn as well, in that case, you'll know it. If the turbine is worn then it'll either have to be reconditioned in which case using a good turbine isn't junk is the better option. Either way, if the turbine is shot then that will increase your build price. If the center cartridge is shot then that will increase your build price as well. Bottom line is that oil is leaking and it isn't leaking for no reason. One or all three things are happening there and Blaast can attest to this. If that is the case then you'll spend a decent amount over what it would have costed you to just buy a another used turbo in the first place.

Not to mention that the only T3 worth rebuilding anyways is the 60 trim.

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Yes, your T3 turbo is CERTAINLY worth rebuilding.
as far as I am concerned, only replacing major components such as housings and wheels will incur extra charges.
If your shaft or CHRA need rework and oversized bearings or rings, all that is INCLUDED in the Blaast preventive rebuild service.

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Yes, I am comparing the gm 6.5L Borg turbo to a t3 t4 in terms of the outputs it's able of.
lots of people in here will agree because they have actual hands-on experience on both the T04b S trim and the GM 6.5L borg turbo (which is obviously not your case).

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you should also change that gm1-8 have the same dp falnge

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You still don't get it. The Gm1-8 are hardly the largest in the family of RHC6's. If you were to equate them to T3's, they would be a 40 or 45 trim, not a 60 trim. There are turbos that are far larger than the GM1-8 in the entire family of RHC6's, for example, the VX89.

Look:
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You'll notice that the far right side of the flow chart shopws less than 20 m^3/min. It is in fact 17.5 m^3/min which only equates to 618 CFM (150 CFM per 100 hp and 620 CFM is only enough flow for 400 hp) and that is for the LARGEST of the RHC6 family, not the mid sized GM1-8 which are much lower.

Look at the same chart and you'll see that the RHB6 family tops out at 13.5 m^3/min which is only 480 CFM. Still wanna say it's an RHB6? The point is not that a TO4b S only makes ___hp, but that the GM1-8 are closest in size and flow to a TO4B S, not a TO4E like you're saying.

They're a good 250~ 350+, possibly 375+ hp turbo, but not a good 450~500 hp turbo like you're saying. Doesn't matter if someone got close to 500 hp with one, they're not comfortable being there.

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Thats exactly what I just said. His turbo is leaking oil on the exhaust side and you know as well as I do that it isn't happening for no reason. There's a 99% chance he's going to need a new turbine and quite the possibiloity that the center cartidge is shot too, you know this. That leaves him needing at minimum, a new turbine. That is also a whole lot more than simply replacing the journal bearings and seals for your basic rebuild. The problem with turbos these days is that the market is so saturated with bad product that it's almost impossible to get a good one. Where only a couple years ago it was still a good idea to get your turbo rebuilt rather than replaced, thats isn't the case these days. It's a gamble either way that you go. You could spend $300 rebuilding a junkyard T3 or you could buy a junkyard T3 thats already been rebuilt, or a Chinese knock off that'll last you long enough to melt your pistons, bend your rods, and hopefully get you at least one trip to the dyno.

Bottom line is that the only T3 worth rebuilding is the T3 60. Agree to diasagree?

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A TBO359 or TBO360 is worth $300+ used assuming its in pretty good shape. This is one worth rebuilding.

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TBO359 and TBO60 are junky 1980's 300 Mercedes T3's. They have a .48 A/R exhaust side and a .42 compressor housing. They're 40 and 45 trims and are hardly worth $100 used. As said, the only Garrett T3 worth rebuilding is the 60 trim that comes on the T Birds and Merkurs. The rest are garbage throwaways.

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The TBO359 and TBO360 have a trim of 50. Your thinking of a TAO301 that had a trim of 45. A large number of the 80's Mercedes diesels are on the road still. Since the turbos wear out long before the engines do their used turbos command a price. If rebuilt right you can get $450 for a TBO360. Hell, you can get $130 for a used one with a seized turbine.

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Just have Blaast rebuild it.

Having him rebuild my turbo was definately a good decision. My turbo is absolutely perfect, doesn't leak a drop and is tight as hell.

Plus he's cheaper than the other rebuilders.... so what's holding you back?

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dunno if its bad luck but i wont vouche for him. sent it back twice and still have issues... never before has a turbo given me this much issue... plus shipping is abitch its not worth sending it back 100$ there and back i could buy i new turbo for that...

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SmellySOHC : #1 I agree turbo shipping sucks, it involves extra money and car downtime. There's not much I can do about that. Looks like there isn't a good turbo shop in every town.
#2 Despite any issues you had, (it does happen sometimes, unfortunately), you got all the customer care you paid for and I am still there in case of problem.......vouch or not. :S

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Get a rebuild kit at turbocity. Send them the wheels and they will balance them for 35 bucks.
Erich