accordepicenter

Quick question, Are standard T3 turbos (garretts) like ford thunderbird turbos dynamic or carbon seals?

koreanwilcox

Bump this ---- up 7 months later for an answer!

I need to know if my turbo (60 trim T3 .48/.60) has a dynamic or carbon compressor seal. I need to know which it has so I can order the correct rebuild kit.

Anyone know which it has?

Or, does anyone know how I can find out?

djfob

my ford 60 trim had a dynamic but not sure if it was original or not

koreanwilcox

So, do I have to take it apart to find out?

Once I get it apart, what are the visual differences between a dynamic seal and a carbon seal?

I just want to make sure that I order the correct rebuild kit.

whiterice

you have to take it apart to find out.
1. Dynamic Seal
2. Encapsulated Carbon Seal
3. Four-piece Carbon Seal

djfob

ahh pictures are worth a thousand words

koreanwilcox

Just what I was looking for!

I'm going to try to take that bitch apart tonight and see what I can find. We'll see what happens...

koreanwilcox

Looks like I have a 4-piece carbon seal...

I started taking the turbo apart tonight, here's what my seal looks like:



I only found three pieces though, the thick black piece, the spring, and the flat washer type thing... It looks like there should also be another seal of some sort, it could have gone flying accross the garage when the seal released, I didn't know there was a spring behind it and it cought me by surprise!

Anyways, I know which kit to order now! Thanks!

koreanwilcox

Okay, I ordered the correct rebuild kit from turbocity.com and cleaned all the parts up really nice...

There really wasn't that much build up on the turbine or CHRA at all, everything looked pretty good and there were zero signs of coking.

I just have one question about the carbon seal that I am not sure about...

I am not sure about the order of the 4 pieces of the compressor seal and how they all fit together. Here's what the seal looked like when it was still in the back plate:



When I was taking it apart I took the first part of the seal off and here you can see what it looked like with the first part off:



Now, there is another flat washer type part and a spring under it. When I originally took the seal apart I didn't know the spring was there so it surprised me when it jumped out and I think one of the o-rings went flying.

So, when all was said and done these were the parts of the seal that I found:



But, you can see in this picture of the seal that there is an additional part to the seal that I must have lost when the spring jumped on me, it's labeled "E" in this picture:



So, here's my question!

**What order do the seal pieces go in?**

Starting from the backplate out here's the order I think they go in: E,B,C,A, and then D...

I know the order of A, B, and C, but I'm not sure where E fits into them.

I assume E was under C because I didn't see it when I orignally took A off.

So, does anyone know where E goes?

whiterice

does this help?
http://www.softcom.net/users/hlturbo/p/t3.gif

this one has the dynamic if others want to see.
http://www.turbo.no/t3.htm